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Old 30-10-18, 08:13 PM
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Liverpool Scottish piper's badge ie stippled horse and closed gap at base of wreath. Gaunt plaque indicates private purchase by the unit. Brooch fitting replaced two EW loops


Liverpool Pals - 1st (unofficial) badge 1914, made by Elkingtons - ie the pair (identical manufacture) with the silver presentation one. Nicely used / worn.


25 each - including P&P in UK only.
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Old 30-10-18, 08:33 PM
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PM has been sent re. purchasing both please.
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Old 30-10-18, 08:50 PM
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Thanks Leigh,


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Old 31-10-18, 10:51 AM
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Apologies Julian, but I think that pals badge is a copy.
I've seen several of these, a very poor casting, that may well be identical to the Chester badge, but the lugs, which I will guess are overly long are terrible and very modern.

I'm surprised no one has commented on it.

Just my opinion folks.

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Old 31-10-18, 11:02 AM
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Old 31-10-18, 11:38 AM
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What's your opinion of the badge ?
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Old 31-10-18, 01:03 PM
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The original patina would have been 'bronzed' but I've seen quite a few where the patina has rubbed off.
I honestly think it is genuine (and I have had it for many years; I have its dimensions and weight at home) - but if Leigh doesn't like it I will of course refund him !
Neither of them are in 100% condition - hence the low prices




-The crest of the Earls of Derby: “On a chapeau gules, turned up ermine, an eagle (l), wings extended, or, preying on a child proper, swaddled gules, in a cradle laced or.”

Below, a scroll inscribed SANS CHANGER. Solid die cast in GM – bronzed, worn / rubbed off. 2 N S cu loops 11, H 36, W 36, Wt 9.66g. <270>

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Old 01-11-18, 01:15 PM
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The badge in question from post no. 1 and one that I already have (with lugs that aren't particularly long).
They're twins other than the squarer wing tip on the one for sale.
Note the slight rise of the top of the ducal cap immediately to the left of the birds ankle, very small flaws beneath the "C" and the "A" of CHANGER, the diagonal line on the reverse leading down from the bird's feet to the right as viewed. There are a number of other small flaws that match.
A difference is that my badge has light cross hatching to the body and brim of the ducal cap (shown well by "flash" photo. It has the remains of a bronze finish or other form of dark toning to the rear.
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Old 01-11-18, 01:59 PM
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When you receive the badge take a photo of the lugs to show the length. If they are the long lugs I think they are, the badge isn't right.
If not, and I'm mistaken, that's fine.
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Old 01-11-18, 02:13 PM
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The one I already had on the right, with shorter lugs.
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Old 01-11-18, 04:28 PM
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Although both lugs are now bent over to one side, it is the badge I thought.
I've handled alot of them and myself and at least one other long time collector know them to be wrong.
Of course Leigh, it's your decision what you do, but it does raise another problem, and that is, if your other badge has identical 'twins' casting marks it would in my opinion throw doubt on that badge also.
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Old 01-11-18, 04:34 PM
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Yes, I'd realised the significance of the twinning,
thanks for the info.
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Old 02-11-18, 07:33 PM
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How long have these badges been around for and any ideas upon the origin of them?

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Although both lugs are now bent over to one side, it is the badge I thought.
I've handled alot of them and myself and at least one other long time collector know them to be wrong.
Of course Leigh, it's your decision what you do, but it does raise another problem, and that is, if your other badge has identical 'twins' casting marks it would in my opinion throw doubt on that badge also.
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Old 02-11-18, 08:07 PM
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They appeared on the market in the 90's, along with silver pals badges stamped 'SILVER' on the back.
As for who made them, who can say.
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Old 02-11-18, 08:48 PM
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I must apologise to the Forum. I had honestly thought it genuine - but in poor condition.
I have refunded Leigh and hope he finds a better example.


If anyone wants a 1990s copy of a Lpl Pals badge, they can have it for free !
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