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Old 19-10-18, 07:21 AM
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,LOL, On the subject of the colour of the central jewel upon Tudor crown military, naval and civil badges, I certainly was not using any form of "speculation" notwithstanding, quite frankly, you have provided your own "evidence" in post fourteen which does confirm my thoughts written in post eight.
With regard to the date a particular badge was made, the attached, was
very clearly, manufactured after 1920.

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Old 19-10-18, 07:52 AM
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There is always going to be exception to the rule and that was what I was showing in in post #14. However, that is not proof that the badge was manufactured after 1920. Published works stipulate that the central jewel changed to blue in 1920 and Alex states that "if I remember correctly, in 1920, the blue jewel on new badges was actually written into the dress regs" (sic). It would be great if someone could provide this evidence of this of course.

, LOL, Please remember that we are talking about cap badges of the Royal Navy and not the Royal Air Force.
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An interesting document in an earlier thread here

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...17&postcount=4
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I made very clear from the outset that I was talking about the red central jewel upon Tudor crown badges, which include naval, military and civil.

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There is always going to be exception to the rule and that was what I was showing in in post #14. However, that is not proof that the badge was manufactured after 1920. Published works stipulate that the central jewel changed to blue in 1920 and Alex states that "if I remember correctly, in 1920, the blue jewel on new badges was actually written into the dress regs" (sic). It would be great if someone could provide this evidence of this of course.

, LOL, Please remember that we are talking about cap badges of the Royal Navy and not the Royal Air Force.
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Thanks Nozzer, that might be the document I was remembering.
I did think that the jewel change was specifically aimed at RN badges though rather than all bullion badges. That was what I've always assumed it referred to, anyway
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Thanks Nozzer, that might be the document I was remembering.
I did think that the jewel change was specifically aimed at RN badges though rather than all bullion badges. That was what I've always assumed it referred to, anyway
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Hi Alex,

I was really hoping to find more information. Coleman seem certain of the the date being around 1920, but offers no evidence. I wonder what his source was?

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Old 19-10-18, 07:20 PM
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I have always thought there was only one Tudor crown, the design of which became standardised in 1902, at the request of the King, to represent government authority and to be used on military, naval and civil badges, are you saying there was more that one Tudor crown with different details for different services?

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Thanks Nozzer, that might be the document I was remembering.
I did think that the jewel change was specifically aimed at RN badges though rather than all bullion badges. That was what I've always assumed it referred to, anyway
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Old 20-10-18, 05:36 AM
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Hi Frank
No not really. I had thought that it was only the RN dress regs which standardised the blue jewel in the centre of the crown and didn't think it necessarily applied to the other services. The crown design on the whole was already set.
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