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Old 17-07-19, 09:02 AM
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Good morning all,

I hope that Norfolk Man can help with identifying the attached badge.
It is about 55mm high and 60mm wide.
Many thanks,
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Old 17-07-19, 09:12 AM
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I don't know what that badge is (or meant to be or if it's genuine) but the design is similar to that on a shoulder belt plate of the regiment (I can't find a reference to that though, somebody may well know better)

This is about 55mm wide X about 60mm tall (to tip of spear).
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Old 17-07-19, 10:27 AM
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It looks gilt to me ? Nice to IMO.
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Old 17-07-19, 04:35 PM
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9th Foot pre-1883 officers gilt headdress badge, I believe. Also can be found in white metal. Andrew (Norfolk Regt man) will be able to confirm / provide more detail.
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Old 17-07-19, 05:50 PM
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That's interesting, I was hoping/wondering if the one I show in post no. 2 is a headgear badge as it has the stem of a long wire lug and another appears to have been removed and replaced with another fitting, now broken.
Compared to the badge in post no. 1 it's thicker, not as delicate, and of course in a white metal rather than gilt finish.
Parkyn mentions the lion and Brittania being used as an officer's headgear badge, the shoulder belt plates he shows have the addition of a tablet at the base of the badge.
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Old 17-07-19, 07:02 PM
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It looks a stunning badge and such quality. Id have absolutely no doubts as to its originality.
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Old 17-07-19, 08:45 PM
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9th Foot pre-1883 officers gilt headdress badge, I believe. Also can be found in white metal. Andrew (Norfolk Regt man) will be able to confirm / provide more detail.
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Old 17-07-19, 08:48 PM
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I don't know what that badge is (or meant to be or if it's genuine) but the design is similar to that on a shoulder belt plate of the regiment (I can't find a reference to that though, somebody may well know better)

This is about 55mm wide X about 60mm tall (to tip of spear).
Yours looks cast ?
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Old 17-07-19, 08:56 PM
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I don't know what that badge is (or meant to be or if it's genuine) but the design is similar to that on a shoulder belt plate of the regiment (I can't find a reference to that though, somebody may well know better)

This is about 55mm wide X about 60mm tall (to tip of spear).
Leigh, yours lacks the detail found on the other badge, so yours is more likely used elsewhere, my gut feeling is a sash. These badges have been used for a long time by the Norfolk Regt, first as a cap , but later fitted to drums, mess items, shields, etc. Basically the badges have been modified and reused.
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Old 18-07-19, 12:28 PM
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Thanks for that - by sash do you mean a fabric sash or baldric or something like, say, a Drummers buff leather cross belt?

The badge I show is so similar to the gilt badge shown I wonder if it's been cast from "that" badge (if the height and width dimensions given for that one should be the other way around).

Andy, it's hollow backed with a fair amount of reverse detail but it's 2 or 3 mm thick and lacks some of the voiding of the gilt badge, I think it's cast although some of the rough finish to the rear may be down to the way the fittings have been applied.

I'm inclined to apologise for hijacking the thread but I hope that it's viewed that information about the one is of interest and relevant to the other.
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Old 18-07-19, 06:32 PM
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Thanks for that - by sash do you mean a fabric sash or something like, say, a Drummers buff leather cross belt?

The badge I show is so similar to the gilt badge shown I wonder if it's been cast from "that" badge (if the height and width dimensions given for that one should be the other way around).

Andy, it's hollow backed with a fair amount of reverse detail but it's 2 or 3 mm thick and lacks some of the voiding of the gilt badge, I think it's cast although some of the rough finish to the rear may be down to the way the fittings have been applied.

I'm inclined to apologise for hijacking the thread but I hope that it's viewed that information about the one is of interest and relevant to the other.
Its nice Leigh, nice detailing especially on the shield.
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Old 19-07-19, 10:55 AM
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Thanks to all for comments and suggestions.
I have had it for about 30 years and thought that it was time to find out what it is.
Paul, when you say a pre 1883 headdress badge do you mean a Forage Cap or Glengarry badge of the period 1880 - 1883 before the Cardwell reforms had been properly implemented and there were a lot of badges which appeared for two to three years and then disappeared without being recorded in Dress Regulations or something more exotic like a White Helmet or Pagri badge.

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Good morning all,

I hope that Norfolk Man can help with identifying the attached badge.
It is about 55mm high and 60mm wide.
Many thanks,
MAP32
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