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Commando Trained?
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As for a dagger badge being given out with the green beret in WW2 at Achnacarry, never heard it said before and not at Ardentinny (HMS Armadillo) either. Regards Tony |
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As for your last statement, if you want to start comparing dicks this isn't the place really! |
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Hi,
Attached is a photo of the letter requesting the change of nomenclature for Special Service/Commando units and a new formation sign. The change was agreed to on the 4th December 1944. Regards Danny PICT3106 ed2.jpg PICT3108 ed.jpg |
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I completed my commando course [at the then Commando School RM, Bickleigh] in October 1957. Upon passing out as Kings Squad remained at RMB Eastney. Regular dress was No. 3's [Blues]. Battledress [3A's] rarely worn, these sported the titles only [ROYAL MARINES COMMANDO], Green berets were
frowned upon by the then hierachry. The Dagger sign was worn ONLY by 3rd Cdo Bde units [Bde HQ, 40 and 45]. 42 Commando was in cadre form at Bickleigh until July 1958, re-formed and went to the Med [Malta]. Immediately prior to embarking on HMS ALBION all ranks were ordered to have the Dagger sign sewn onto Battledress. We lost the dagger sign in 1964 when re-dressed in Lovats. Minor points, but may be of interest? |
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Commando Trained
Those who have stated that the Commando Dagger badge was introduced at the end of World War Two as a formation badge for Commando units are indeed right and it was worn by both Army and RM Commando units. It has also been worn by Royal Marines on battledress with RM Commando shoulder titles after World War Two but it was still a formation sign, not a badge of qualification. As Mike says, it was an Army initiative to treat it as a qualification badge after 1976, by which time the Royal Marines had ceased wearing it on uniform after battledress was phased out. The Royal Marines did resurrect it as a formation badge on DPM combat uniform for a short period in the 1990s until it was replaced as a formation badge for 3 Cdo Bde by the black dagger on an olive green square which is still worn today.
The red dagger on black triangle sign is still worn on Army No.2 Dress as a qualification badge but for combat dress the qualification badge is the shoulder title 'Army Commando' and, of course, the green beret. The same applies to the RM and RN Commandos. I have never seen the red dagger on black triangle worn by the Royal Navy since I qualified for my green lid in 1983. Turning back to the original question, after WWII there was a big divide between the traditional blue beret Sea Service marines who dominated in Eastney and Deal and the newer green beret Commandos based in Plymouth, to such an extent that Commandos doing courses in Eastney in the 1950s had to change their berets while they were there. There are also photos of Swimmer Canoeists wearing blue berets while based at Eastney (as indeed they did during WWII). The rule in the 1950s seems to have been that a commando trained marine only wore a green beret when serving with a Commando unit. |
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Commando Group formation sign
I unearthed this the other day - Sgt Christopher, 3 Cdo - photo taken at HQ 1 Cdo Bde, East Grinstead 1945 (in his Best BD):
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Any idea where there base was in East Grinstead?
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No idea - the only barracks in the vicinity in 1960 was Hobbs Barracks, Lingfield. Most of the hutted WW2 camps must have been demolished long before that. But if it was just HQ 1 Cdo Bde it could have been located in a requisitioned country house (the building I live in in Somerset was the HQ of a Bde in the Guards Armd Div and then Hqrs 3 US Armored Division 1943-44). Mike
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So,
As I collector of pre-1952 Qualification/Trade etc badges , can I cross this one of my list? regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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If you check the bible on Qualification/Trade etc., badges you will see it is not listed under the WW2 dates. Marc Last edited by 54Bty; 04-05-16 at 03:51 PM. Reason: Text added. |
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