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Old 09-06-19, 06:26 PM
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Default Grenadier Guards tunic

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I have found this tunic of an officer of the Grenadier Guards. There are no shoulder badges. Are they missing or not ?

Laurent
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Old 09-06-19, 06:40 PM
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If its an officers tunic it should have bullion rank badges on the shoulder straps.

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Old 09-06-19, 06:59 PM
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Is the original Tailors label still inside..........this could give you a name and hopefully an applicable rank to work with when looking for suitable rank badges should you wish to replace them.

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Good morning

The label is still inside.

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Old 10-06-19, 08:17 AM
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It's better with picture
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Could it be?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Gordon_Lennox
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I believe its his son.
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The tunic has double rows of embroidery on the cuffs and shoulder straps indicating a field grade officer (Major or Lt. Col.).
A bullion embroidered crown for a Major rank would be correct for this.
This tunic was made long enough ago that genuine metal wire embroidery was used, unlike the tacky looking mylar stuff used over the past 30 or more years.

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Correction....it appears that the double rows of embroidery on cuffs and shoulder straps are worn nowadays by all officer ranks, whereas previously it was only one for Company grade. Therefore the Star of the Order of the Garter in bullion rank badges would be correct as well.
The apparently have gone to a simplified tunic for all.
Here is the 1920s era tunic of Brig. E.W.S. Balfour CVO, DSO, OBE, MC etc, while as a Major in the Scots Guards, later Col.
Note the quality of the embroidery.
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Identical one for sale here:-

https://www.coldstreammilitaryantiqu...2#.XQUD9bxKhPY

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Thank you all for your replies. Mine was really less expensive, 'only' £160. Do you know the meaning of the inside inscriptions ?

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I have found this tunic of an officer of the Grenadier Guards. There are no shoulder badges. Are they missing or not ?

Laurent
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There were many Gordon-Lennox in the Grenadier Guards
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I have found this tunic of an officer of the Grenadier Guards. There are no shoulder badges. Are they missing or not ?

Laurent
The short answer to your question, Laurent, is yes a rank star of the Order of the Bath pattern (see enclosed image) is missing. That is the correct rank badge for a 2nd Lieutenant, as worn by both, the Grenadier and Coldstream Guards. I enclose a screen shot of a similar shoulder strap, but for the Scots Guards, to show you how it would look.
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Old 16-06-19, 08:42 AM
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Thank you for these precisions. Now; I have to find them to complete my jacket

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Do you think this pair of badges would match with the tunic ?

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