13th Hussars 1896? - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

leigh kitchen · #1 26-12-21, 03:46 PM

Is this a 13th Hussar?

I can't quite make out the name written on the back of the photo,Trooper Mountford?

There is no photographer's name or address.

GriffMJ · #2 26-12-21, 08:33 PM

.... the jacket appears to have Light Dragoon frogging.

leigh kitchen · #3 26-12-21, 08:46 PM

Thanks. The 13th were Light Dragoons but the title changed to Hussars in the 1860's?

cbuehler · #4 27-12-21, 12:53 AM

That would be the 13H, if it is indeed that regiment, at the date taken. I don't know what to make of the collar design however. I have never seen that before to my recollection. Are we looking at a Yeomanry trooper instead?

CB

GriffMJ · #5 27-12-21, 10:19 AM

.... I think its Yeomanry. The Austrian knot on the collar is not a Regular feature that I have seen? But it could be a "Bandsman" feature...

leigh kitchen · #6 27-12-21, 12:40 PM

That's what I thought about the collar ornamentation, possibly a bandsman, although I've not seen that in photos.
I suggested 13th Hussars simply because of the very light coloured facings.
Was "Trooper" rather than "Private" the term in use for Hussars etc circa 1896, could it indicate specific cavalry or Yeomanry regiments?

GriffMJ · #7 27-12-21, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

That's what I thought about the collar ornamentation, possibly a bandsman, although I've not seen that in photos.
I suggested 13th Hussars simply because of the very light coloured facings.
Was "Trooper" rather than "Private" the term in use for Hussars etc circa 1896, could it indicate specific cavalry or Yeomanry regiments?

"Trooper" is an unofficial term for a Cavalry Private and still used today. When I was is in ...it was always Trooper such and such verbally and my Sqn head shed were 13th/18th, 4th/7th, 9th/12th, Royal Hussars etc ....with one exception from "The Peoples Cavalry" (3RTR)

leigh kitchen · #8 27-12-21, 03:15 PM

Thanks, I didn't know if "Trooper" was an official designation.

grumpy · #9 27-12-21, 04:00 PM

Oddly enough, it was.
For a troop horse.

cbuehler · #10 27-12-21, 04:11 PM

If he was a musician, would the term trooper be used?

CB

leigh kitchen · #11 27-12-21, 04:14 PM

Neigh, is that so?
The name of a reasonable Robinson's beer derived from the title of a "Charge of The Light Brigade" song too.

cbuehler · #12 27-12-21, 04:23 PM

If he was a musician, would the term trooper be used?

CB

GriffMJ · #13 27-12-21, 04:50 PM

...13th Hussars. Lt Constable 1878, you can see the Austrian knot on his collar also

leigh kitchen · #14 27-12-21, 05:09 PM

Thanks, a collar device I've not noted from photos, not that I've made a study of such things.

grumpy · #15 27-12-21, 11:00 PM

Until some fiddling around after the Great War [and some ghastly inventions later] there was only a handful of titles for the bottom rank.

KRs 1914 are definitive before all sorts of guardsmen, riflemen, kingsmen and whatever. Copy not to hand.

Boy [a subset of private], private, gunner, driver, pioneer, sapper.

Appointments were legion: drummer, bandsman, piper, trumpeter, bugler, lance-corporal unpaid/ paid, variations on a theme for bombardiers and second corporals, and the bottom echelon in vulgar trades.

Horses were charger, trooper,* light draught, and heavy draft. Mules, camels and elephants joined the zoo.

* before a horse became a trooper it was a rough. Hence rough-rider.