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13-02-22, 10:49 AM
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Big badge
Hello! Do you know wich badge is this? It is big...like the Royal highland fusiliers, but It has the welsh hackles...I just don't know! Thank you!
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#2
13-02-22, 11:02 AM
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Royal Welsh Fusiliers - I think. I'm sure one of the Welsh experts will confirm.
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#3
13-02-22, 11:04 AM
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Yes, a Fusilier Cap (as in fur cap) badge.
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14-02-22, 10:43 AM
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The badge is an other ranks one - worn on the full dress racoon cap - I believe that full dress "ceased" in 1914 - so I suspect it dates to before 1914. The badge came into use around 1865 - so could be anytime from that period. I'm not a Welsh expert ( my knowledge comes entirely from Kipling and King! ) - so someone may be able to tie it down to a more specific time period.
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#6
14-02-22, 10:59 AM
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The fur caps were in use by RWF until amalgamation (I don't know what dates they were reaopted, ceased to be worn, readopted etc).
After amalgamation into The Royal Welch the fur cap's still worn but with a large POW feathers badgeinstead of a grenade (which to my eye "doesn't look right") I'm not sure by which personnel, the Drums, just the Drum Major? I don't know if the grenade badge shown is datable by design and metal rather just by appearance of age. Calling Jerry B, Toby Purcell....... Looks like the Drums wear the white Wolesley helmet. Last edited by leigh kitchen; 14-02-22 at 11:06 AM. Reason: Image added.
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#7
14-02-22, 01:47 PM
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I have it as Tim has stated in that the pattern of badge you have originated in 1865 and was a taller thinner version of that worn previously on the Albert Shako shown below.
Very difficult to date because as Leigh states it was worn right up until amalgamation, but after 1914 only by the band, corps of drums, pioneers and goat majors.
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#8
14-02-22, 02:53 PM
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"which to my eye "doesn't look right". I could not agree more. Why on earth would they have forsaken the grenade badge?
CB
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#9
14-02-22, 03:11 PM
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They've changed from grenade on the fur cap to a large version of the new regiment's cap badge (but I would think you've spotted that), I agree, I think a grenade would be a better badge not just on the fur cap but on forage cap, beret etc.
I would've thought just keeping the grenade with POW feathers surrounded by a wreath of immortelles on the ball would've done the job, incorporating features that represented RWF and the two component regiments of the Royal Regiment of Wales. Or grenade with dragon surrounded by immortelles, feathers on the neck, whatever, even a different version of just the POW feathers alone - why stick a "Royal Welsh" scroll on what should be an appropriate symbol for the regiment without having its name tag sewn on. The RRW badge is made ugly and awkward by that name scroll. Just the thoughts of Chairman Kitchen.
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