Full Dress Rank Braid Query

[badger123]

I bought this full dress jacket a while ago as it belonged to a regular York and Lancs officer (named as TW Parkinson) who was the Adjutant of the 5th Battalion York and Lancs before and during WW1. He later became a Major and Lt Col and was CO of the 1st Bn Y&L in the 1920s.

I'm puzzled by the cuff rank though. Clearly there is no braiding extending down into the white facing of the cuff donating the officers rank.

The black & white picture is of the same officer as a Lt wearing what I presume is the same full dress jacket at the end of the 19th century. In this picture, the braiding donating rank extends down into the cuff.

At some stage, there seems to have been a move from braiding being on the white facing of the cuff and then not being on the white facing. I appreciate that this may not be many people's area of knowledge but does anyone know when (or why) this change occurred?

Much appreciated, Ivan

[manchesters]

Ivan,

Officers Dress Regulations 1900 show the additional braid still being worn.

Therefore the removal must be sometime after that date., but i cant narrow it down further.

regards

[cbuehler]

I believe there was a change in ornamentation for officer dress tunics at some point, eliminating some braid at a time well after the turn of the century, although I am not sure just when.
Although I cannot see clearly enough from the photo, the cuffs to not appear to have the Russia braid removed on the lower part. This may not have been the same tunic as in the photo.

CB

[fairlie63]

Originally Posted by badger123

At some stage, there seems to have been a move from braiding being on the white facing of the cuff and then not being on the white facing. I appreciate that this may not be many people's area of knowledge but does anyone know when (or why) this change occurred?

Much appreciated, Ivan

Hello Ivan,

I see that by the time Dress Regulations 1911 were published the wearing of such additional braid on the rank distinctions of infantry officers had been abolished although it was still in use by the departmental corps such as medical, pay, and ordnance.

And Dress Regulations 1904 shows that it had been abolished for infantry tunics by then.

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?...ew=1up&seq=153

Cheers,
Keith

[badger123]

Thanks for your replies Simon/CB/Keith, I think you've managed to narrow it down to the turn of the century.

I'll have a good look at Dress Regs and the regimental journal for the period.

Many thanks! Ivan