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#46
14-07-21, 01:13 PM
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Irv,
You are flogging a dead horse. All the originals have N/S loops and all the fakes have E/W loops. So somehow RMA fitted the badges with N/S loops without an issue. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges 
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#48
14-07-21, 02:12 PM
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I think those boundaries have been well and truly pushed. Lets look a what you have learned. 1. E/W loops do not denote a cap badge and N/S loops a collar badge, which is the statement you made at the very beginning of the post. 2. Footed Loops are a sign of a fake in 99% of badges. 3. The existence of Martin Marsh and his millions of fake badges. I think that quite a lot. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
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#49
14-07-21, 03:13 PM
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Hi Simon,
I wish to keep this on a civil platform. Let’s not fall out  I understand #1 and if the consensus is that I concede. #2 What about the 1%? The other question is that I have put out an argument in the form of pictures and text. By saying they just did it doesn’t help. If you have come to the end of your knowledge then let others comment. (Not trying to mean) Let others look and come up with their own ideas. If no one comments then this thread comes to an end. But I want to learn, which I have about Marsh and the lug feet. Great. Regards Irv
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#50
14-07-21, 07:29 PM
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You’d need X-rays to see the fixings and holes in their caps not BW photographs.
The man who wrote the book on RM headdress plus a respected advanced RM collector have both given you the same answer regards E-W looped RMAs. Every E-W looped RMA you showed was a clear a repro with the stereotypical pitting to the flames surface and poor reverse detail. All had modern footed loops and a couple appear to have been chemically aged. Please show a single genuine E-W looped badge as that 1% and it can be considered. Erstwhile the thing to learn here is in fact E-W looped RMAs are repros.
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#51
14-07-21, 08:06 PM
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The 1% I referred to relates to some badges produced in WW1 with big footed loops but does not include any RMA badges.
regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges
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#52
14-07-21, 08:10 PM
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Hi Luke,
I do understand that the E-W are confirmed as fake by the two members. The 1% is to do with Simons post when he said 99%. So the 1% makes up the 100%. The mention of BW is to do with being able to see the red piping if you would like to read my post again. I realise you can’t see under the badges in the photos but I think my photos show the position of how they are seated lower than has been previously shown. What hasn’t been address my the members is the evidence,shown by myself. This is going against the generally held belief. I have shown period photos, not all taken at the same time and showing different RMA marines. The evidence is in there, just please look and then explain how the N-S badge works with these photos. With all stated knowledge (mentioned by yourself) it should be easy to shoot me down by showing how this positioning of the badge was done. If not maybe the generally held beliefs may not be as water tight as they say. Just explain and show me how this N-S badge worked to position the badge that low. You can’t just bully me into this just because you say so. The picture of the RMA cap from the RM museum doesn’t match any photo I’ve shown. Again I understand the E-W are probably fakes (allowing for Simons 1%). But I feel people are putting their heads in the sand and not taking this evidence seriously because ‘who am I’ to question the experts. All this is for the knowledge. Regards Irv
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