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#31
23-10-09, 11:38 AM
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Regarding the London Irish forage cap, the BB cap badge was allocated a sealed pattern number in 1915 when the war office assumed supply responsability from the TFA. I assume that this badge was in use on the forage cap from c. 1902 but would need to verify.
John Last edited by Alan O; 23-10-09 at 06:08 PM. Reason: start revised thread 
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#34
23-10-09, 03:16 PM
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I suspect that you are right about white metal. It is probably appropriate to add at this point that the white metal version of the forage cap badge was sealed in 1923. As you & I have speculated elsewhere it appears as if the WM version was in use prior to this date and apparently in parallel with the BB version sealed officially in 1915. As you have mentioned to me they may have been influenced to some extent by the Royal Irish Rifles switch to their WM 1913 pattern badge. As a TF unit I suppose it is right to say that the London Irish had more lattitude in what they wore than regular units did at least prior to the 1916/17 time period. To sum up my best information to date is that the BB version of the forage cap badge came into use c. 1902, was officially sealed by the WO in 1915. Looks like it was used in parallel with the WM version which appears as if it may have been in use by 1917. This WM badge was officialy sealed in 1923. A study of photographic evidence with any other as yet to be discovered research may help clarify the situation in the future. It is possible it was sealed prior to 1923 and that the data has not yet been found. The '23 date may be a re-sealing. Going back to the field cap, I have a few images which appear to show officers with a small blackened badge (as least dark) but not clear enough to show any detail. All the O/R images I have seen are of no practical use, it almost appears to me as if no badge was worn - however the images I have seen are not proof positive of this. John Last edited by Alan O; 23-10-09 at 06:08 PM.
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#35
23-10-09, 04:18 PM
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Does anyone have or have seen a genuine lugged blackened example? I know the lugged v sliders, post 1902, pre 1908, etc, etc debate rumbles on but I think having one of these to hand may answer the question as to what badge they wore prior to the formation of the London Regt after 1902. It's not definitive of course as there's no difference between being Middlesex RV's and Volunteer Battalions and many of those are found with lugs and sliders before and after what is generally accepted for the dates of usage of each.
Last edited by Alan O; 23-10-09 at 06:17 PM.
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#36
06-03-10, 09:06 AM
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London Irish
here is a London Irish badge being sold by a local dealer
given level of fakes around for this badge is it cosher? link http://www.milimem.com/popup_image.php?pID=3648
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#37
06-03-10, 11:43 AM
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Looks good to me.
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#38
07-03-10, 07:23 AM
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thanks - I thought it was but there seems to be so much conjecture and uncertainty you get a bit disillusioned
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#39
11-04-10, 11:54 AM
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London Irish or Irish Constabulary
I always thought this type of harp was used by RIC/RUC officers in blackened WM.
Here are two harps one sold as RIC the other London Irish on Buywyze but which is it? Jonny http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...#ht_500wt_1182 http://www.buywyze.com/shop/photos/1015937.jpg
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#41
11-04-10, 05:36 PM
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I am of like mind to Alan, a possible explanation for its inclusion in the medal group is an individual wearing an R.I.C. capbadge due to regimental patterns of the L.I.R. being in short supply during the period.
Thus far I have not came across this pattern officially attributed to the London Irish. John
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#44
11-04-10, 08:40 PM
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I wonder if the men with the nickel badges are bandsmen as they're also wearing collars?
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