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Period worn?
Please would one of you Welsh collectors have a look at the attached.
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Not a Welsh collector but looks very likely WW1 to me in terms of quality of strike and that slider.
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Pembroke Yeomanry (Castlemartin)
The Territorial Year Book (1909) notes this unit appeared in 1908 but there are no details of the cap badge. The TF badges were only catalogued and given central TF badges by the WO in 1915/16 This particular badge was authorised on 12.04.1916 as Pattern 9287/1916. This is the BM badge. I'm afraid that can't find when this badge was made obsolete. The second pattern Pattern 556A/1916 was in all GM (I'm sorry that I have not got to grips with yeomanry yet!) |
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I didn't know the BM badge was 1916, that's interesting information. Thank you Chris |
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Although the Terr Yr Bk did not list a badge for the unit, it is probable that one existed from 1908. (Many units did not respond with badge details)
I'm puzzled by your mention of "The badge before the BM one was the BM PoW feathers with the WM Fishguard scroll" The BM Fishguard one was the original badge! What I was saying is that they did not have official WO Patterns until 1915/1916. Incidentally, there are two known dies - something to do with the scroll, I'll try and find it. |
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Sprry, it was my assumption as I've a photo dated 1911, and a couple more from 1914 to 15 and all are wearing the WM scroll version, so I assumed it was the badge pre GM scroll auterised 1916?
I've never been sure of the when's and where's of the WM and GM scrolls, hopefully ill find out now. Cheers for this, and sorry to Frank for highjacking his thread. Chris Last edited by 3dg; 26-10-20 at 08:50 AM. |
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Really no need to be sorry, quite frankly, I find Yeomanry badges a pain, certainly from memory, at least, the Pembroke Yeomanry in their original form "appeared" rather earlier than 1908, in about 1830, but, it matters not one bit to me.
How is this badge actually described by the War Office, does it make actual reference to both the scroll and crown both being made in gilding metal, because if it does not, then it might be describing another badge with simply the crown being in gilding metal? Hugh King makes no mention of the badge in my copy of volume one, stating "the coronet in gilding metal, remainder in white metal also all in white metal, all in gilding metal and in bronze" Quote:
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Well, me neither, but, Hugh King stated in his volume 2 stated that the badge was sealed on the 18th of July 1952, which is simply why I asked the question.
I think that this particular example appears to be perhaps older. |
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"the Prince of Wales's plumes, coronet and motto above a scroll inscribed Fishguard; coronet and scroll in gilding metal, remainder in white metal" BADGE, WORKING PATTERN, PEMBROKE YEOMANRY .
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British Legion/Royal British Legion , Poppy/Remembrance/Commemorative. Poppy and British Legion Wanted |
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Hi Frank,
Yours looks to be one of the later variants of this badge. I’ll dig out what I have & give you a time line as best I can. In the meantime here are mine to the Pembs Yeo. Hwyl Kevin |
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Superb collection! Thank you for sharing. Chris |
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Thanks Kevin, that is certainly a very fine collection.
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Yes indeed, but, as expected, I was not casting any doubt whatsoever upon the date given by Hugh King.
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It may have been re-sealed in 1952 after a period of the regt wearing a RA badge?
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The jewel sequence in the coronet looks identical in terms of shape and orientation. Also the raised die flaw on the right hand feather near its outer edge. Could the die have been in use for +30 years... not impossible. Like you my feelings are that it is a far earlier badge than 1950s. When it comes to Yeomanry and their badges nothing frankly surprises me. |
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