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Bronzed Norfolk Regiment OR's cap badge
Not sure about this one. Badge would appear to be genuine, struck in brass or gilding metal and then bronzed with two lugs to the reverse. Badge is taken from the same die as this http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=130511 and this http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=130510 so is quite early.
I have never come accross this badge before, so Any ideas as to what it is? Many thanks in advance, Andy Last edited by Nozzer; 17-02-18 at 10:21 PM. |
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Bronzed Norfolk Regiment OR's cap badge
Andy,
I would think this is just an other ranks cap badge that has been blackened for whatever purpose, I have a small Norfolk collection and I have never seen a blackened/bronzed version of this badge. Rob |
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Any signs of it being theatre-made, and/or vestiges of a slider? |
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Definitely not theatre made/cast and no signs of a slider.
Initially I thought it might have been either an unfinished 1916 all GM that has had lugs added, but I think it was made this way for some reason. I have the same strike in silver plate also http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ctureid=130508 |
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Interesting badge and cannot be pre 1915 as it's all brass and not w/m Britannia. It's not a 1915 economy OR's issue with the lugs.
As been has shown elsewhere it's not a pagri either. So its likely to be something else and an (un)bronzed officers abdge is an option. |
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Last edited by Jelly Terror; 27-09-16 at 08:11 AM. Reason: Typo correction |
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Absolutely but then we are back to why was it made and for what coating? The die struck construction with lugs is not the norm for an officers bz badge.
it's not a pagri so what hat was it for? |
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Norfolk Bronze
I don't think as far as I am aware officers wore this pattern of badge, their badge was Britannia on a plinth in either OSD or gilt.
My guess is it was made as a trial pattern for whatever reason, hence the reason we are debating what it is, obviously a rare item. Rob |
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Rob,
Indeed so why make this one? Without any history it may be an example of an early restrike using an old die but in the wrong metals and with incorrect lugs? Hopefully some one can prove otherwise. Alan |
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Andy, any chance of a side-on, close up view of the loops at all? Do they look kosher?
Cheers. |
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Oi, stop cheating, Alan! The burden of proof lies with those who make an assertion. |
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Good point.
The fact that the front is so worn but the lugs appear to have retained their black coating is confusing. It's clearly made from a quality die but why the lugs? |
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Thank you for your replies Gentlemen. All well thought out and structured analysis.
The one thing that struck me was the considerable loss of bronzing to the front, yet the reverse remains completely (almost) untouched. Now, this is possible if it has been fitted to an item of clothing or display for some considerable time, only being removed fairly recently. The only issue I would have with that is given that the lugs are slightly squashed and misshapen, I would expect to see slightly more wear and loss of colour on them. Now, I feel the badge is genuine or at worst as Alan has already pointed out an early restrike. It might have something to do with the silver plate version that I have already shown and has either not been finished or finished incorrectly or possibly tampered with at a later date. As has been said before, if only these things could talk......... anyway, more pictures. Last edited by Nozzer; 17-02-18 at 10:21 PM. |
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Lugs
While I am aware that most manufacturers abided by the trial pattern designs and stipulations I am sure there were differences in manufacture.
This badge has all the characteristics of a curiosity, if original, probably made one hundred years ago, maybe at the request of the Colonel, but unless anyone has the necessary paperwork or other evidence then I would keep it under the unknown category. Rob |
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