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Old 15-05-17, 09:14 PM
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The AA Dowler motto.. (from the Smith & Wright Ltd purchase.... then used post Dowler by Shaw Munster)

"DOWLER. BIRMINGHAM"
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AA Dowler Motto ..... but made for Firmin.

"FIRMIN LONDON"
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Old 16-05-17, 07:21 AM
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My Dowler list:

RHG
WSF
UNIVERSITY OF CARDIFF
CAMBRIDGE OTC
EAST MIDLANDS OTC


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Hi Guys,

This weeks company is William Dowler of Birmingham.

Can you post the names of all your unit badges by Dowler here in this thread and I will collate them all into this first post.

Images not required or the makers marks themselves at this stage but if you have something that may be by Dowler but is spelt something like 'DWR B'HAM' etc then do let me know.

The Dowler badges so far are:

4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards
9th/12th Lancers
14th/20th Kings Hussars
14th /20th Kings Hussars (Gold Hawk)
15th/19th Hussars
16/5th Queens Royal Lancers
17th/21st Lancers
Army Catering Corps (added scroll)
Army Catering Corps (pre 1972 pattern - no scroll)
Army Department Fire Service (Scroll - Fire Service WD)
Army Depot Police Cyprus
Army PT Corps
Birmingham University OTC (Scroll Birmingham University OTC)
Bristol University
Devon & Dorset Regt
Durham Light Infantry
Duke of Lancasters Own Yeomanry
Duke of Wellingtons Regt (West Riding)
Duke of York Royal Military School
Edinburgh and Heriot Watt University Officer Training Corps - Version 'B'
Edinburgh University (Big X)
Essex Regiment
Essex Yeomanry QC beret size
Gloucestershire Regiment
Honourable Artillery Compnay (Infantry)
Intelligence Corps
Kings Own Royal Border Regt
Kings Regt
Leeds University OTC
Light Infantry
Liverpool University OTC - Small size
Military Provost Staff Corps
MOD Police
MoD Guard Force
North Irish Horse
North Staffordshire Regt
Northants Regiment
Nottingham University OTC (Inscribed 'East Midlands')
Oxford University OTC
Ox & Bucks L.I
Parachute Regiment
Q (Liverpool Irish) Battery 470 (3 West Lancashire) Regiment, Royal Artillery
Queen's Lancashire Regiment (with Red rose)
Queens Own Hussars
Queen's Own Yeomanry
Queens Regt
Queens Royal Irish Hussars (2nd Patt)
RA (large gun with second wheel)
RA (small gun)
RAC
RAMC
RAPC 35mm
RAVC
RCT
Robin Hood Rifles
Royal Army Dental Corps
Royal Army Ordnance Corps (Two Piece Badge)
Royal Army Medical Corps
Royal Army Pay Corps, Cap Badge
Royal Army Pay Corps, (LARGE 43MM)
Royal Artillery Beret, Added Wheel
Royal Engineers
Royal Gibraltar Regt
Royal Gloucestershire Hussars
Royal Green Jackets
Royal Hampshire Regiment
Royal Hospital Chelsea
Royal Military Academy Sandhurst
Royal Military Police
Royal Military School Of Music
Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers (Militia)
Royal Regiment of Gloucestshire and Hampshire
Royal Scots Greys
Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry
Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry
South Nottinghamshire Hussars
South Wales Borderers
The Buffs
Ulster Defence Regt
University of Glasgow and Strathclyde Officers Training Corps
Welsh Guards
Wessex Regt
Wiltshire Regiment PP cipher (Post 1954)
Wiltshire Yeomanry
Worcestershire Regt


Note that the badges above have not been classified as to status re: official issue item or unofficial commission.

Regards

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Old 16-05-17, 03:50 PM
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I have Royal Green Jackets with both Dowler marks.
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Chris,

10th Gurkhas beret badge - Dowler BIRMINGHAM -

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Old 17-05-17, 06:17 PM
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10th Gurkhas beret badge - Dowler BIRMINGHAM -

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I saw that one on ebay Tim, doesnt look in the greatest condition.
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Old 18-05-17, 06:38 AM
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Indeed and not cheap given its condition.
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Old 18-05-17, 12:33 PM
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Indeed and not cheap given its condition.
I didnt see what it went for in the end Tim . I am after the beret badge in anodised on lugs. Dont know the maker or if its marked either . The big one on lugs is marked.
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[QUOTE=Mike H;405758]I didnt see what it went for in the end Tim . I am after the beret badge in anodised on lugs. Dont know the maker or if its marked either . The big one on lugs is marked.[/QUOTE

Found this one on slider marked JR GAUNT LONDON- 152457593515
You probably already have this one ??
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[QUOTE=engr9266;405896]
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I didnt see what it went for in the end Tim . I am after the beret badge in anodised on lugs. Dont know the maker or if its marked either . The big one on lugs is marked.[/QUOTE

Found this one on slider marked JR GAUNT LONDON- 152457593515
You probably already have this one ??
I do Jerry thank you .
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Old 10-09-18, 07:12 PM
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D.E.R.R. DOWLER. BIRMINGHAM

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I know I have a REME one somewhere, just canít lay my hands on it.
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Hello guys,

I have made a list of my RCT and RCT/MSO Anodised cap badges.

I have also added metric measurements of the sliders to show they differ quite a bit in their length.


Royal Corps of Transport Anodised Cap Badges


This is a list of the fixings, types of cap badges and manufacturers markings
(I have listed all forms and types of “stated” badges, with comments as to why they are listed here)

The first thing we need to do is divide these badges into groups, so we will look into this more closely.
Grooved back; Flat backed; Concave backed; M etal

I noticed that the badges had different slider types so I now needed to separate them into; “Slider Lengths/Types”
Extra Short 36mm; Short 38mm; Medium 40mm; Medium Long 42mm; Long 44mm Extra Long :45mm

Also to add to this most badges can be found painted in Matt Black when used in a Tactical setting (NI or Ex)

The Star, Queens Crowns, Royal Cyphers and Belt Buckles differ in some of these variants

No./ Type of Badge/ Slider Length/ Manufacterer/ Qty

1 CONCAVED SHORT J.R. GAUNT LONDON 3
2 CONCAVED MEDIUM J.R. GAUNT LONDON 4
3 CONCAVED EXTRA SHORT J.R. GAUNT LONDON LTD 1
4 CONCAVED SHORT J.R. GAUNT LONDON LTD 2
5 CONCAVED SHORT J.R. GAUNT LONDON LTD. (dot) 1
6 CONCAVED SHORT J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 2
7 GROOVED SHORT J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 1
8 GROOVED MEDIUM J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 1
9 GROOVED MEDIUM LONG J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 1
10 GROOVED LONG J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 1
11 METAL GROOVED MEDIUM FIRMIN. (dot) LONDON 1
12 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM FIRMIN (no dot) LONDON 1
13 FLAT BACKED LONG FIRMIN. (dot) LONDON 1
14 FLAT BACKED SHORT FIRMIN & FIRMIN. (dot)LONDON 1
15 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM LONG FIRMIN & FIRMIN. LONDON 1
16 FLAT BACKED LONG FIRMIN & FIRMIN. LONDON 1
17 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM FIRMIN & FIRMIN. LONDON 1
18 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM 3X FIRMIN. LONDON 1
19 FLAT BACKED BLADED FIRMIN on back of star 1
20 GROOVED MEDIUM FIRMIN. (dot) LONDON 2
21 FLAT BACKED SHORT DOWLER. BIRMINGHAM 1
22 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM DOWLER. BIRMINGHAM 2
23 FLAT BACKED LONG DOWLER. BIRMINGHAM 1
24 FLAT BACKED SHORT Wm DOWLER (B’HAM) 1
25 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM LONG Wm DOWLER (B’HAM)
1
26 GROOVED/CONCAVE SHORT LONDON BADGE & BUTTON Co Ltd 2
27 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM LONDON BADGE & BUTTON Co Ltd 1
28 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM SMITH & WRIGHT LTD (no dot) 1
29 FLAT BACKED SHORT SMITH & WRIGHT LTD. (dot) 1
30 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM SMITH & WRIGHT LTD. (dot) 2
31 FLAT BACKED MEDIUM LONG SMITH & WRIGHT LTD. (dot) 2
32 FLAT BACKED LONG SMITH & WRIGHT LTD. (dot) 2
33 FLAT BACKED EXTRA LONG SMITH & WRIGHT LTD. (dot) 1
34 GROOVED CLUTCH PIN NO MAKER (similar to Gaunt B’ham)1
35 FLAT BACKED NO SLIDER Texaco promotional 1970’s 1
(all badges are flat backed) RCT/MSO Maker Marks
36 MSO below wreath EXTRA SHORT J.R,GAUNT LONDON 1
37 MSO level with wreath MEDIUM SMITH & WRIGHT LTD (no dot) 1
38 MSO level with wreath LONG SMITH & WRIGHT LTD. (dot) 1
39 MSO above wreath SHORT J.R. GAUNT B’HAM 1
40 MSO above wreath FROSTED Not listed unknown 0

To add to this list I also have 2x MSO/REME badges
1x J.R. GAUNT B'HAM
1x MARPLES & BEASLEY BIRMINGHAM
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Old 16-09-18, 06:39 PM
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Does anyone have any info on who made the RCT/REME/MSO badges? Clearly not Gaunt or Firmin or whoevers RCT cap badge was 'doctored' to add the brass MSO disc? I would imagine machined and made up at a workshop somewhere in BAOR for instance.

Any knowledge out there chaps?

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