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The Volunteer period ranks are a trap for many.
The photo in question shows the sitter with 2 rank stars on his shoulder boards. 2 stars in the volunteer period was a captain. This corresponded with two wide stripes on the cuff etc. So the question is why has he got captains rank on the shoulders but Lieutenants rank on the cuff? Most plausible answer - he has just been promoted and as yet does not have his new uniform. Which, if it is Duthie, would put the photo in the 1896 period. Barry |
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The following photo is un-named and is captioned "Wellington Volunteers, circa 1890s."
There is a close resemblance to Corporal Halpin and the gentleman in the WCR uniform. Wellington Volunteers, circa 1890s.jpg Wellington Volunteers, circa 1890s c.JPG |
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I too would speculate the picture was taken in 1896. |
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Lieutenant-Colonel W. G. Duthie was appointed Commanding Officer of the Wellington City Rifles in 1907, replacing Colonel Collins when he was appointed to the Defence Council.
This is probably one of the last photos taken of the Wellington City Rifles before it became the 5th (Wellington) Regiment. Winners CAC Cups and 4th Team Championship N.Z. Meeting, March 1911.jpg Winners CAC Cups and 4th Team Championship N.Z. Meeting, March, 1911.jpg Last edited by atillathenunns; 03-12-19 at 09:21 AM. |
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As a bit of a Wellington City Rifles/5th Regiment nut, this is one of my favorite officers.
The photo is dated 1911. Anyone guess who it is? Guess Who.jpg |
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The Onward series of books is a good reference to at badges were worn in the territorial period, and WW1.
Here is a pre WW1 , territorial Wellington officer wearing scrolled cap and collars. What is on the scroll of the cap badge is the question. He was killed in 1916. If it is ''New Zealand'' on scroll, then this is contrary to previous information , that badge wasn't worn till 1922/1923 . |
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Is it Sir James Allen, Minister of Defence? Cheers, John |
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This photo of Captain Rogers William Wilkinson, has a closed collar with twisted shoulder cords. Captain Wilkinson 5th (Wellington) Regiment, was officer in charge of the Machine Gun Section in the Samoan Expeditionary Force, after transferring to the Otago Infantry Battalion he was fatally wounded at Gallipoli on the 25th August 1915. Rogers William Wilkinson page 49.jpg |
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The man in question however is Colonel Robert Collins, his military history dates back to 1863 when he joined the Taranaki Volunteers, when I get time I will type up his service history. The picture of Colonel Collins that I posted, is part of the introduction to the Collins range at Trentham, where I have been a regular shooter for well over 25 years. Brent Robert Collins 1.jpg |
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I will contact Phil from Onward Project , and see if he has a high definition photo. |
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Slightly better, but inconclusive to the writing on the scroll. I will keep looking!!. |
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I may be barking up the wrong tree but there looks to be a faint "NEW" on the scroll. Cheers, John |
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Quite possibly John. There only a very few photos of the scrolled 5th Wellington cap badge, worn pre war territorial and in WW1(when they were a territorial unit). From the collection, a 5th Wellington territorials marked bayonet . Last edited by pukman; 12-12-19 at 07:09 PM. |
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In the well known 'Record of the New Zealand Expeditionary Force in the Great War Poster' 5th Wellington badge only appears under the Samoan Expeditionary Force section.
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