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Old 11-02-20, 05:02 PM
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Default 5th Battalion Devonshire Regiment

I have both the all white metal and the blackened brass, both are voided as is K & K 1709. The regulars B/M badge is also voided and all sliders are plain.
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Old 11-02-20, 09:56 PM
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I have both the all white metal and the blackened brass, both are voided as is K & K 1709. The regulars B/M badge is also voided and all sliders are plain.
Hello,
Is there a chance of sending photos please.
That would be appreciated

Chris
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Old 11-02-20, 09:59 PM
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I have no specialist knowledge of the Devons or their badges but it could well be your Great Uncle wore a WM badge which was lost and then replaced in or after the 1970s by this badge as a representation.

I’ve read the 3rd Bn Beds wore a WM badge at Gallipoli during WW1. So depending on when he served its plausible a WM badge may have been worn.

His father being the origin of the badge’s story makes it a secondary source rather than a primary. As such easy for some ambiguity/assumption to creep in i.e. G Uncle said this was his badge that he actually wore in service v’s this was G Uncle’s badge that I found his his possession/saw him wear at reunions etc. and he told me his Bn wore WM badges. The latter is putting 2 + 2 together and coming up with 5 potentially if G Uncle forgot to mention it’s a replacement or the question was never asked and it was just assumed to be his service badge.

Naturally in the telling of the story to the next generation this can easily become a simple statement of fact - ‘this was his badge’ (which it was) but misses out the important nuance of how/when it came into G Uncle’s possession. Also I’m sure most of us would wholeheartedly believe our dad’s especially on family history.
Thanks for that, yea, I see it now.
He's my uncles friend, so not my family.
I'll leave it, I won't tell him
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Old 12-02-20, 07:33 AM
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One of the problems with badges, is that the average wearer never really looks closely at them, only those of us with an interest. I have met many ex-servicemen who could not describe the badge they wore in detail and had to drag it out to see what it looked like. A veteran who lost his badge would more than likely see a similar badge and swear it was the one he wore 20 years ago when a collector may know 100% that the particular badge wasn't in use at the time. The difference between a VB badge and a regular badge may have been lost on wartime servicemen who didn't know what the other badge looked like.
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Old 12-02-20, 12:23 PM
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In a similar vein a pocket watch was sold at auction on yesterday's episode of 'Flog-it' (please don't judge me on that!) with a 'Boer war medal'
The watch was presented to a sailor on a ship involved in the war. The 'medal' was in fact a 9th Battalion London regt cap badge which was clearly post 1908 if not much later. Yet the family were convinced they both belonged to the naval rating and dated to the Boer war.
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Old 13-02-20, 11:14 PM
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In a similar vein a pocket watch was sold at auction on yesterday's episode of 'Flog-it' (please don't judge me on that!) with a 'Boer war medal'
The watch was presented to a sailor on a ship involved in the war. The 'medal' was in fact a 9th Battalion London regt cap badge which was clearly post 1908 if not much later. Yet the family were convinced they both belonged to the naval rating and dated to the Boer war.
Well them ‘medals’ do say South Africa 1900-02 on the top
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Going back to the discussion on the 5th Battalion.

I picked this up in a mixed lot a month or so ago. It has a very ropey reverse with two replacement lugs being affixed with copious amounts of lead solder. The heat from the soldering process also looks to have stained the back in a few places. I can't see any remains of a slider ever being fitted.

The construction is more die-cast than die-stamped. There looks to be tiny bits of extruded metal from the 'casting' process in the void between castle and quoit.

My jury is very much out on this one - but it doesn't fit neatly in the Marsh fake category.

Any thoughts?
Mark
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Old 15-01-21, 07:13 PM
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I have similar replaced lugs on a BB Devon Badge. I have this WM example that may have been cleaned with a chemical- its very bright. Regards, Paul.

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I have seen a couple of this variant in the albums section.
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Old 15-01-21, 10:20 PM
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I’m happier with any TA, economy, etc that has blunter star points, that’s the first thing I look for.
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Old 17-01-21, 12:08 PM
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Hello Keith. The WM badge I have posted-post 23- is very clean and the edge is actually reflecting the paper it is on giving the badge an outline which makes the badge look more pointed then it is- the reverse picture better shows shape. I think my badge is similar to ones shown by Alan O and Rob Miller.
Some pictures of a BB badge replaced loops similar to post 22- though on this badge the slider scar can be seen.
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Old 17-01-21, 12:56 PM
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BB Devons that has a WM slider.
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Old 17-01-21, 03:27 PM
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I too have a few Devon's cap badges....If I take pics of the front and backs can someone help me authenticating them please?
Thanks in advance,
Paul
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Old 17-01-21, 04:40 PM
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Devon's various...comments welcome...

WM one and VB in Wm
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Old 17-01-21, 04:43 PM
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more Devons...
4VB and one in all brass
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