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Old 27-05-19, 05:45 PM
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Default 13th Btn London Regt or Kensington town hall flag?

I bought this flag today, the seller had been unable to identify it but I had a pretty good idea what it might be. However, I am not sure about military flag flying protocol so I do not know if individual battalions flew their own flags whilst in barracks or at camp.

If my hunch is correct, this flag should have a connection with the 13th battalion, London Regiment (Kensingtons). If I am wrong it probably flew over Kensington Town Hall. Your thoughts would be welcome.

This flag may be offered for sale.
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Old 28-05-19, 08:19 AM
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A photograph of the entire flag. The field is red and grey and not red and white as it appears in the photograph.
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Old 28-05-19, 08:35 AM
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I suspect that it is military, apart from the badge, the colours are those of the regiment's lanyard.
Presumably the battalions of the London Regiment would have flown their own flags in the same way that other regiments and corps still fly theirs.
One of the London Regiment experts will no doubt know.
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Old 28-05-19, 08:46 AM
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Many thanks for the information regarding the colours. This might now end up being a keeper.
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Old 28-05-19, 09:45 AM
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The grey is specifically for the 13th London Regiment and was still worn as Mess kit until fairly recently by the Signal Squadron who claimed the Kensignton lineage.
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Old 28-05-19, 11:06 AM
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Proud to have been a Kensington. Regimental Flag. 41 along with Middlesex Yeomanry made no pretence at being purely Royal Signals and made no effort to obscure or hide or forget their lineage.
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Old 28-05-19, 12:23 PM
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Proud to have been a Kensington. Regimental Flag. 41 along with Middlesex Yeomanry made no pretence at being purely Royal Signals and made no effort to obscure or hide or forget their lineage.
Matt,

many thanks for the update. Do you know if it is possible to date the flag or has its design remained unchanged over the years?

Simon.
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Old 28-05-19, 01:02 PM
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That I am afraid I cannot do, sorry
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Old 28-05-19, 09:05 PM
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No problem. The flag was made by Excelsior who's factory used to be in the East India Dock Road. It would be interesting to know when they went out of business as that would at least give us a made before date. They used to advertise in the quarterly Army Lists
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Old 28-05-19, 10:21 PM
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........Ernest W.Perrett under the registered trade mark ‘Excelsior’. Our research indicates by 1927 their works was established on the site of an old chapel in Canning Town London and was replaced by the Beulah Gospel Hall where the Excelsior Works of Ernest Perrett Ltd, flag makers operated from. The premises was badly bomb-damaged in the Second World War. Subsequently the works were relocated to Holloway Road, London N7.

A Union Flag for sale on an interweb site bears the Exelcior label with address of Balham Road and is stated to be c1960.

Edit - I wonder if your flags manufacture coincided with one of the company's address changes, hence the address being chopped off the bottom of the label or stitched over..

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Old 29-05-19, 08:00 AM
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Good point. I will try and work out what the words beneath the stitching read. The first word could be BEST.

Ernest William Perrett died in 1954 and I cannot find any evidence that the firm is currently in business.
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Old 29-05-19, 08:28 AM
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Somewhere at home, in the loft, I have the original letter sent to me in April 1986 from 41 Signal Squadron following up my enquiry, aged 17, to be a territorial. It is typed in red ink on grey paper.
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Old 29-05-19, 08:30 AM
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"The first word could be BEST"

Best Flags Made?
In which case my neat little address theory goes out of the window unless another line of text has been cut off.
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Old 29-05-19, 09:24 AM
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looking at this example it probably reads " Regd Trade Mark". As you say though the lack of the address is significant.

The trade mark Excelsior was apparently registered in 1934.
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As a complete aside, is grey an allowable colour in heraldry or vexillology?
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