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Old 10-06-17, 02:14 PM
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Default Inspector of Army Schools or Indian Army Unattached List Officers Cap?

I'll post this in the Head dress section, rather than the "what is it" section although I'm not sure what the insignia indicate.
When I bought it, the vendor thought it may be the cap of an officer on the Indian Army Unattached List, whereas I veered to wards it being a cap of an Inspector of Army Schools.
Although my reference for this is the 1900 Dress Regs the description of badge & buttons fits, albeit this cap has the later KGV cypher & king's crown buttons rather than QV insignia.
Can anyone tell me which it is please, or whether it's something else?
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Old 10-06-17, 02:49 PM
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If not for the buttons and cap welt my inclination would be more in favour of a Police affiliation (badge and cap-band braid). Just stirring the pot, really!

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Old 10-06-17, 02:53 PM
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Well why not, its a quiet day...... could've suggested fire service........
I'm still going for Inspector of Army Schools..........
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Old 10-06-17, 02:58 PM
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The cap badge braid is correct for Army officers' caps.
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Old 11-06-17, 04:13 PM
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The "Army & Navy Co-operative Society Limited" formed in 1871, changed it's name to "Army & Navy Stores Limited" in 1934, so this cap dates between 1910 - c1934.
If this cap is that of an Inspector of Army Schools - the Army Education Corps was formed in 1920, would the badge have been changed to AEC around that date, this cap's period of wear thereby being narrowed down to 1910 - c1920?
Under black light the name "Campner" or similar shows in handwriting on the label, unfortunately it's more a case of finding a name that fits what could be written, rather than identifying the name simply from the now "invisible ink".
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I think it might be the badge of WW1 era, commissioned 'special recruiters' Leigh.
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Old 11-06-17, 06:48 PM
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Thanks - I have a photo of such a recruiter somewhere - (reversed & intertwined cyphers on the cuffs?).
That hadn't occurred to me.
Dress Regs 1900 describe the bullion QVC cypher badge and scalloped Crown button as being for Inspectors of Army Schools, and so by logical (oh yes?) extension I thought of the bullion KGV cypher and scalloped K crown buttons as the 1910 version of same?
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Thanks - I have a photo of such a recruiter somewhere - (reversed & intertwined cyphers on the cuffs?).
That hadn't occurred to me.
Dress Regs 1900 describe the bullion QVC cypher badge and scalloped Crown button as being for Inspectors of Army Schools, and so by logical (oh yes?) extension I thought of the bullion KGV cypher and scalloped K crown buttons as the 1910 version of same?
Your logic seems sound to me, Leigh. Perhaps the insignia concerned was worn by both sets of officers. Here are the 1904 Dress Regulations: https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/009027363. You will see other useful manuals/regulations in the list to the left side of the page once opened.

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Old 11-06-17, 08:25 PM
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Thank you, I'll be checking through the '04's in a while as I can't read them on a phone.
I picked up the 1900 Dress Regs decades ago but left it at that as I was firm in collecting regular infantry ORs insignia only.
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Thank you, I'll be checking through the '04's in a while as I can't read them on a phone.
I picked up the 1900 Dress Regs decades ago but left it at that as I was firm in collecting regular infantry ORs insignia only.
Yes, I agree that it will be better to view the DRs on a decent sized screen.
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A photo (postcard) of a Recruiting Sergeant, showing the KGV cypher cap badge, albeit in metal by the look of it, rather than bullion, although who can tell.
I was wrong re. the reversed & intertwined cypher cuff badges, I was thinking of another photo, of a SLI Recruiting Sergeant, c1920's-30's, the lettering not being reversed & intertwined.
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Old 13-06-17, 07:40 AM
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I have seen this badge in brass for ORs. It's not inconceivable the officers was embroidered rather than a gilt finish.
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A photo (postcard) of a Recruiting Sergeant, showing the KGV cypher cap badge, albeit in metal by the look of it, rather than bullion, although who can tell.
I was wrong re. the reversed & intertwined cypher cuff badges, I was thinking of another photo, of a SLI Recruiting Sergeant, c1920's-30's, the lettering not being reversed & intertwined.
Leigh,

I believe the letters on his lower arms are PPR for Paid Pensioner Recruiter.

Also take a look at this thread I started- Recruiting Staff??

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ad.php?t=60057

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Thanks, you're right about the SLI mans insignia, although the photo is nothing to do with my query re. the cap I thought I'd show it as I'd mistakenly stated the cyphers were reversed & intertwined (a mistake I've made before) when referring to this photo.
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I have seen this badge in brass for ORs. It's not inconceivable the officers was embroidered rather than a gilt finish.
Was it not also worn in brass by Barrack Wardens?
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