British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum  

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > Common Forums > Reproductions, Restrikes, Fakes, Forgeries, and Copies

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24-02-09, 10:15 AM
DougSA's Avatar
DougSA DougSA is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: England
Posts: 260
Default Glider Pilot Regt cap badge???

Any thoughts on the authenticity of this one?

D.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg GPR.jpg (9.3 KB, 283 views)
File Type: jpg GPR (rear).jpg (54.2 KB, 251 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 24-02-09, 10:50 AM
2747andy 2747andy is offline
Former Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Porthcawl, South Wales
Posts: 7,690
Default

Doug,

I'm sure you are aware that it is a 1940s Army Air Corps (worn by Glider Pilots/Crew) Badge.

As for the badge itself, the rear photo gets a little blurred when blown up!! The presence of metal polish residue on the back is a Fakers trait to give the impression of age and always worries me, especially when the front of the badge looks unpolished? I'd like to see a clearer picture of the slider, until then I'll err towards "Copy" (my opinion).

Best wishes!

Andy
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 24-02-09, 12:30 PM
DougSA's Avatar
DougSA DougSA is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: England
Posts: 260
Default

Thank you for the reply!

Herewith, the best close-up I can do for now on the slider.

Doug
Attached Images
File Type: jpg GPR (rear) 3.jpg (31.7 KB, 219 views)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 24-02-09, 01:10 PM
2747andy 2747andy is offline
Former Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Porthcawl, South Wales
Posts: 7,690
Default

Doug,
thanks for the additional image, I'm still dubious! Your badge seems rather shiny and the residue may be there to mask it!

I've attached images of ORs and Officers Silver Plate (uncleaned sorry!!) badge for comparison! - (I now know these are FAKE!)

Regards!

Andy
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 23 Feb 09 015.jpg (70.0 KB, 342 views)
File Type: jpg 23 Feb 09 016.jpg (62.5 KB, 287 views)
File Type: jpg 23 Feb 09 018.jpg (52.7 KB, 205 views)

Last edited by 2747andy; 14-11-14 at 06:21 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 24-02-09, 07:36 PM
cbuehler cbuehler is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 915
Default

While polish residue on an otherwise shiney reverse may be a potential problem, it is by no means an outright indicator of whether a badge is genuine or not. I can see no obvious problems with Doug's badge, but as with many badges that are made in solid WM or GM, it can sometimes be impossible to determine a good restrike from a genuine example with certainty, no matter how "expert" one may be.

CB
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 25-02-09, 06:58 PM
Luc's Avatar
Luc Luc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posts: 2,456
Default

Doug, Andy, I'm afraid all examples shown are replicas. As far as I'm aware there are 5 different original patterns, this is the most common one in whitemetal:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg AAC8.jpg (78.6 KB, 270 views)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 25-02-09, 07:00 PM
Luc's Avatar
Luc Luc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posts: 2,456
Default

Then there is a similar one in white metal, but with a solid crown and a huge cast fault mainly around the eagle's head. Then there is solid silver (hallmarked), cast bronze and last the economy version in plastic/bakalite.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 25-02-09, 07:04 PM
Luc's Avatar
Luc Luc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posts: 2,456
Default

Example with cast fault:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 58-1-AACbadge.jpg (70.2 KB, 314 views)
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 25-02-09, 07:05 PM
Luc's Avatar
Luc Luc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posts: 2,456
Default

Example of the cast bronze badge:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg AAC16.jpg (98.9 KB, 161 views)
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 25-02-09, 07:07 PM
Luc's Avatar
Luc Luc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posts: 2,456
Default

Solid silver, hallmarked and fitted with 3 lugs, recently sold by member armyoutfitters on ebay:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_0186_1.jpg (85.2 KB, 195 views)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 25-02-09, 07:20 PM
2747andy 2747andy is offline
Former Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Porthcawl, South Wales
Posts: 7,690
Default

Thanks for your comment, but I'm happy to have the badges I added in my previous post, in my collection "As Genuine" I've seen enough copies, replicas or repros, to be able to tell a duff one!

Andy
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 25-02-09, 07:27 PM
Luc's Avatar
Luc Luc is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Delft, Netherlands
Posts: 2,456
Default

I'm glad you're happy with them, but of you think those are genuine you must be pleased to find vast numbers of them floating around on ebay alone.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 25-02-09, 07:46 PM
2747andy 2747andy is offline
Former Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Porthcawl, South Wales
Posts: 7,690
Default

Just because an item appears on Ebay it does not mean that it is a copy! Original Cast badges were produced to meet a need, to assume that only cast badges, particularly those with a fault are the only genuine examples is rather hasty!

I do not claim to be an expert, but I have experience and until I see a better example "In my Hands" then the ones I have will remain within my collection!

My take on the Forum is that it is a site to widen peoples knowledge, I would never presume myself to be that much of an expert on the subject to tell anyone, from a photo, that their badge was not genuine, perhaps if a Victorian Crown, Bi metal, AAC, 4th Volunteer Battalion badge appeared then I might be tempted to make an exception, until then I will offer advice and my opinion, for free and will take advice and opinions likewise!

Andy
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 25-02-09, 08:02 PM
Alan O's Avatar
Alan O Alan O is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 9,385
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luc View Post
Example with cast fault:
I have this version with indisputable WW2 provenance.

Alan
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 25-02-09, 08:08 PM
2747andy 2747andy is offline
Former Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Porthcawl, South Wales
Posts: 7,690
Default

What the QVC one?

Andy
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
aac, glider regiment

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 09:46 AM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.