Hi-Vis Rank

[REMEVMBEA1]

When I served in Northern Ireland 68-69 we wore rank slides on the epaulettes that were made in the unit tailors' shop. These had no vocab numbers on them but I wouldn't call them fake or fantasy.

[colin 17]

Ed, I am curious where you got the slip-on?

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by REMEVMBEA1

When I served in Northern Ireland 68-69 we wore rank slides on the epaulettes that were made in the unit tailors' shop. These had no vocab numbers on them but I wouldn't call them fake or fantasy.

True, we wore locally knocked up coloured shoulder tabs too.

[ddaydodger]

Originally Posted by colin 17

I agree with Ed, We have guys in the unit with the new Cadpat shirt with the Velcro rank. Its not issued yet ( at least to the reserves) so they have to buy it themselves and wear it. I classify it as private purchase. As long as it is authorized from the unit, I see that as being legit.

Colin

And this is where the problem is; units are not allowed to authorize insignia like this. All insignia is supposed to be approved by DHH and for CADPAT, the Commander, Canadian Army, based on decisions made by the NDCDC (National Defence Clothing and Dress Committee). Just because some CO says it is OK, doesn’t make it so. The Militia is especially bad about this; one of the local units has made up and issued decorations for wear in DEU at unit functions, totally against all orders and protocols. Does this make it legit just because it is worn? I understand that things were a little different on operations; there were more things to be concerned about than moral patches, or unit identifiers.

[colin 17]

But the problem is that clothing stores issues the new Cadpat shirts but the guys can not get the Velcro rank patch to put on it and they are told to buy their own. IT IS NOT ISSUED! If they do not buy their own they would not have anything. How is that right?
DHH have made so many mistakes that they shouldn't be allowed to decide on things. IE: so many units have blue facings on the uniform but are not Royal Regiments, they do nothing about this.

Colin

[Phillip Herring]

It really does come down to what was authorized and what was actually worn.

Back to the original post. Has this slip-on ever been worn by The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa's drum major? If yes, good - even though it may not be official. If not, then it is a fantasy piece.

Phil

[ddaydodger]

Originally Posted by colin 17

But the problem is that clothing stores issues the new Cadpat shirts but the guys can not get the Velcro rank patch to put on it and they are told to buy their own. IT IS NOT ISSUED! If they do not buy their own they would not have anything. How is that right?
DHH have made so many mistakes that they shouldn't be allowed to decide on things. IE: so many units have blue facings on the uniform but are not Royal Regiments, they do nothing about this.

Colin

Could you give an example of which Regiment? I'm curious. Another point of view, I deal with DHH routinely, and yes they make mistakes, they also give answers that don't make people happy based on their research. I usually find them well informed and highly useful. The other problem I have encountered when asking questions about my unit is that the unit never asked DHH, or informed them of changes, not DHH's problem, but the units.

[colin 17]

The Hi-Vis Drum Majors rank slip on has not been worn by the CH of O and we don't even have any. There are Low-Vis ones but are only worn occasionally.

The CH of has been wearing blue facings for maybe 30 years or so but up till a couple of years ago didn't have any connection to Royalty.

The Vandoos wear bearskins. Their tradition is of a fusilier Regt, The Royal Welsh Fusilier who wear Sealskin Busbies. They have infantry pattern cuffs but wear a bearskin, did DHH ever ask them about that?

The RCN says it is the senior service but were started in 1910. Lots of Army Regiments are way older than that and before anyone goes into "they take their traditions from the RN" Why cant the Army do the same.

Probably out of DHH's scope but why do Police wear Infantry Sergeants sashes?

Colin

[Ian B]

Good day all,

Hope I don't throw any more gas on the fire with these!! I was Drum Major of the Pipes and Drums of the Second Battalion, The Royal Canadian Regiment back in the late '80's. This was around the time everyone wore their rank on the epaulettes, Officers AND OR's (shades of saluting Corporals because one thought they were Lieutenants. LOL).

The first is a made-up rank slip-on for the Work Dress Sweater, using a pair of trimmed, reversed Corporal chevrons. The second is for the OD combat uniform, and I am not sure from where, but I believe it was done up by a local shop near CFB Gagetown. It was originally sewn on an OD slip-on.

Cheers,

Ian

[ddaydodger]

Not the first time this was done, RCHA c1965

[Bill A]

Hi Bruce, What RCHA appointment is that?

[ddaydodger]

The description for the photo is:
"Drum Major Pete Clatenburg, a member serving with the 2 Regiment, Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, part of the Canadian NATO brigade in Germany. Here he relays firing orders to his gun detachment during an artillery shoot at the Hohne ranges in northern Germany."
Photo DND

[Hussar100]

It might be interesting to throw this in:

In the British army a colonel commanding a battalion or regiment is allowed to make two dress code changes during his tenure. Is that the same in Canada, because if it is, it might answer one or two questions.

[ddaydodger]

3. CF Dress Instructions shall be interpreted as follows: if an item is not included in these instructions, it is not authorized.
4. Changes in dress policy, dress instructions or uniforms, or in the designs of uniforms, uniform accessories, accoutrements or insignia, shall only be made with the approval of the CDS or, on his behalf, by the Chief Military Personnel, National Defence Headquarters (NDHQ/CMP).

[Hussar100]

That says what isn't allowed, but what is?