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Old 08-01-09, 01:33 PM
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How do we date the First Hussars cap badges? I have been told that the wreath of leaves is an indication of the era. The wreath, if it touches the coronet, makes the badge a CEF era badge. Mazeas Pre-1914 shows a gap between the coronet and leaves, Charlton shows no gap, Mazeas 20-50 shows a badge with a gap, and Tripp also shows the badge with the gap. Our 20-50 badge registry shows no gap.
Can the evolution of this badge be clarified?
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Old 08-01-09, 06:06 PM
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The CEF badges were made in England by Gaunt & Tiptaft. These feature a wreath where the maple leafs slightly overlap - the so called 'narrow' wreath. Post WW1 badges made in Canada have adjasent leafs side by side - resulting in the so called 'wide' wreath. The difference is subtle, but you can see what I'm on about by looking at the scan.

I don't know the date when these Canadian made OR badges were introduced, but I'd guess it was early in the militia period. I'd consider the wide wreath OR badge shown in the badge registry to be the 'correct' WW2 pattern.

Gaunt continued to produce private purchase officers badges through WW2, & several variants of these can be found. You can also find narrow wreath OR's badges marked J.R.GAUNT LONDON. I 'm pretty sure these are modern restrikes.
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Default 1 Hussars Officers collars??

Nice cap badges Doug!

Are there matching bi-metal collars for this type of Officer's badge? I've only ever seen brass collars. That leads me to ask if any 1H insignia in OSD bronze exists??
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Default More 1H caps and collars...

here are some WW2 or earlier Officers styles...the Marked badge and collars are Gaunt...they are not Bi Metal but frosted gold. the Embroidered badge is by Hobson and is worn only on the Coloured FSC.They were made fairly early in the war after the units arrival in England.



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Hi Mike: Wonderful collection of 1st Hussars items. You don't happen to have a spare Hussars gold wire badge or set of officer's collars that you are willing to part with?
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Just to add. Here is my Officers example. A little different in construction than Michael's examples.
Maker marked J.R GAUNT MONTREAL MADE IN ENGLAND

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Hi James, Could you post a better image of the cloth title above the badge?
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Default Hussar's badges...

Here are some cloth examples including a comparison between a Reproduction and original 6CTR Formation patch at bottom...



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Default 1st Hussars CEF Cap Badge Babin 10-4

Posted is a CEF badge to the 1st Hussars.

Brass Maker is J.R.Gaunt London on maker plate. Sorry about image can't find camera. Scanner is olde!

I hope this helps to clarify the issue.

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Michael,
You really should concentrate on the metal badges and send that tacky, old and worn coloured field service cap to me.
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Oh C'mon Clive...You don't need any more musty old hats...you only have one head !
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