Crossed Anchors only.....

[dragonz18]

2x crossed anchors ,red on black(Navy Blue),no crown above.
Can someone tell me what rank/grade this is & period of use ,etc.
Cheers !
Steve

[sailorbear]

Originally Posted by dragonz18

2x crossed anchors ,red on black(Navy Blue),no crown above.
Can someone tell me what rank/grade this is & period of use ,etc.
Cheers !
Steve

Hi there, hard to say without seeing an image of the badge but some Merchant Navy shipping lines used the crownless crossed anchors badge for Petty Officers and Quarterasters and was common from the early part of the 20th century. Also some foreign navies use the crossed anchors without a crown for petty officers as do some sea cadet organsations. I believe there may also have been a time in the early part of the 20th century when acting POs in the Royal Navy may have worn crossed anchors without a crown in square rig but am not certain of this?

hope it's of some help

Tony

[RCN]

The crossed anchors logo badges were used in the RCN from the period 1948 until the integration of the Canadian Forces fiasco of 1968.

In 1947 major changes were made in the rank & rate structure of the RCN, the old RN style ranks & rates being replaced by restructured ranks & completely newly designed 'Canadian' rate insignia.

The new ranks introduced were Petty Officer 2nd class (PO2) and Chief petty Officer 2nd class (C2).
Illustrated below are the PO2 rank badges dating from the 1950's period.


For more info on the RCN Rate badges see my threads in the Royal Canadian Navy section. I hope soon to get to the post 1947 RCN Ranks & illustrate all of all of the various rank insignia for the 1947-68 period.

Bryan

[submarine1]

In the Royal Navy Two crossed anchors without the crown were worn by a leading Seaman who had passed for Petty Officer and done petty officers duties. But he did not wear a P.Os uniform, usually he was tempory PO. I wore these bagdges for a short while whilst in the RN. I hope this info helps you..

[Paddy]

Originally Posted by submarine1

In the Royal Navy Two crossed anchors without the crown were worn by a leading Seaman who had passed for Petty Officer and done petty officers duties. But he did not wear a P.Os uniform, usually he was tempory PO. I wore these bagdges for a short while whilst in the RN. I hope this info helps you..

Submarine1

Out of interest can you please let me know what era this was.

Many thanks

Paddy

[submarine1]

Hi Paddy, I served in the Royal Navy from September 1964 untill August 1975. These badges were being worn then. The service went through some drastic changes shortly after I left ie: a new style of uniform, new ranks of Fleet Chief Petty Officer and of course females at sea..

[Paddy]

Hi Submarine1. Many thanks for the info, I'd always associated the crownless PO's rate badge with cadets. I joined just over 6 years after you left, 28 1/2 years later and still going, having seen most of those changes you mentioned. You think females at sea was bad?, at the moment we have a "female" at sea who started life (and Naval Service) as a male, give me proper females any day.

Paddy

[Lampwick]

Originally Posted by Paddy

Hi Submarine1. Many thanks for the info, I'd always associated the crownless PO's rate badge with cadets. I joined just over 6 years after you left, 28 1/2 years later and still going, having seen most of those changes you mentioned. You think females at sea was bad?, at the moment we have a "female" at sea who started life (and Naval Service) as a male, give me proper females any day.

Paddy

The honour of having the first sea going changeling goes to the Merchant Navy, Remember April Ashley??

[submarine1]

Having done 11 years in the Royal Navy and 11 years in the Merchant Navy I have yet to decide on the case for females at sea. In the Merchant we had several female deck officers and stewards and cooks. But when it came to the deck work the deck officers were not capable of lifting the heavy equipment needed for the job. Still they made interesting conversation in the bar , evan the odd cat fight with wives who were allowed to travel with thir husbands. I now do work with the Sea Cadet Corps as a civillian instructor so the sea never leaves you after you leave. Just for the record I am 61 years old (pushing 62) Good luck to you, you are doing a good job and as with the other services we are proud of you all..

[peter4447]

Just a little postscript to this thread.
When I was ship's company at HMS Ganges in 1966/67 we had the first female Doctor join. Unlike the WRENS she was a commisioned officer and wore gold rings (Lieutenant) and a gold cap badge. As such she was saluted in exactly the same way as her male counterparts because you saluted her commission and not the person. What was odd, however, was when you addressed and spoke to her you had to call her "Sir".
Peter4447

[peter4447]

Just a little postscript to this thread.
When I was ship's company at HMS Ganges in 1966/67 we had the first RN female Doctor join. Unlike the WRENS she was a commisioned officer and wore gold rings (Lieutenant) and a gold cap badge. As such she was saluted in exactly the same way as her male counterparts because you saluted her commission and not the person. What was odd, however, was when you addressed and spoke to her you had to call her "Sir".
Peter4447

[RBJ MIlitaria]

Sea cadet Petty officers wear this device with no crown I am not aware of regular RN servicemen wearing this device well since 1976 in my limited experiance

[Jim Maclean]

Originally Posted by RBJ MIlitaria

Sea cadet Petty officers wear this device with no crown I am not aware of regular RN servicemen wearing this device well since 1976 in my limited experiance

Common sense reply at last. This is the rank insignia worn by Sea Cadet Petty Officers. It has not in the last 100 years been worn by RN personnel.

Same sort of rubbish is spouted about COMMANDO badges, RN.

[sailorbear]

Originally Posted by Jim Maclean

Common sense reply at last. This is the rank insignia worn by Sea Cadet Petty Officers. It has not in the last 100 years been worn by RN personnel.

Same sort of rubbish is spouted about COMMANDO badges, RN.

I think this was actually stated at the begining of this thread!

What sort of rubbish is being spouted about RN commando badges ??