Loyal Suffolk Hussars cap badge

[spreadeagle]

Here's an all Gm 1916 pattern economy badge ,(as described), of The Loyal Suffolk Hussars.
Bought with several other later identified as original cavalry /Yeomanry items last year.It appears to be the real deal ,but i'd appreciate an head's up on it.
Cheers.
Alan.

[LONGSHANKS]

Looks good to me. I wouldn't mind it in the econ album

Simon.

[Postwarden]

Gunner of the Suffolk Hussars as Royal Artillery wearing a separate Y with RA title.

Jon

[Alan O]

Jon kindly allowed me to copy this post from another thread showing the large bi-metal badge in use during the inter war years after the Yeomanry's conversion to RA.

Although merged with the Norfolk Yeomanry as a gunner regt, individual batteries continued to hold county titles and as this photo shows, for at least part of the period, retained with old County badges.

[Alan O]

I have identified the sealed pattern card details for the LSH. The words I have highlighted in bold suggests that the bi-metal badge was originally sealed for official production in 1922.

If I read it correctly the 1924 date that I have written in blue is the removal of the 'Field' part of RFA to RA in common with the rest of the Artillery.


This s/p card held in the IWM is for the sealing of the post war unit in its Arty role but authorised to wear the original Yeomanry bi-metal design.

Now what I am not certain on is the bit in red - is this a previous sealing of the cap badge in May 16 or the quality of the metal to be used?

Physical description

badge, card, seal . Thick card label . ms, top: Cat (2243, 2710 - deleted); (CB ???6 - deleted) . Royal Army Clothing Department . Sample . Pattern No. 8818A / 1922 . CB 1268 . 103rd (Suffolk) Brigade Royal (Field - deleted, ref: AO 164/1924) Artillery, Territorial Army. . badge: Bi-metal cap badge of the Loyal Suffolk Hussars, the 103rd (Suffold) Brigade Royal Artillery, being the castle of Bury St. Edmunds with a flag on each of the two towers and an open gate, below which is the voided date 1793 resting on a scroll bearing LOYAL SUFFOLK HUSSARS. The scroll is in white metal, remainder in gilding metal. Slider to reverse. .

Badge (Forage - deleted) Cap & F.P. Helmet. All Ranks .

(When finished to be German Silver, 12 Gauge; Gilding Metal, 14 gauge. For quality of Metals see Nos 4480/1897 & 4481/1897 and - deleted) . Specification No (ACD 888A - deleted); U/24; . approved 13.5.16; authority given as ACD/Patterns 3157 & TF/211 . ms: Resealed 11/8/22; . ms, in red, at base: (Resealed 8/6/22- deleted); Authy/ACD/2214 /1921; 9/Arty/7233 (TA2)/5.4.22 & S&CID/1642/1 . Reverse, ms: (321 - deleted); Box 292; (L315 - deleted) . 17/5/38, 16/6/39, 2/3/43, 8/7/43 . M of Supply Leeds 20/1/46 . CIC 3/4/46 .

Badge secured to label with white cotton tape and sealed to reverse with a red sealing wax seal bearing the shield of the Arms of the Board of Ordnance encircled Chief Inspector

[Alan O]

Not a 1916 economy but an all gilding metal large pattern LSH cap badge from 1953.

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30074305

History note

card: reverse stamped 18 NOV 1958

Physical description

badge, card, seal badge: the castle of Bury St. Edmunds below which is the voided date 1793 above a scroll inscribed Loyal Suffolk Hussars card: Inspectorate of Clothing Ministry of Supply Pattern No. 15872 Spec. No. UK/CIC/208B Cat. No. CB 1846 Standard (Working Pattern, deleted); inscribed, Badges, Cap Suffolk Yeomanry Large (GM) (358th Medium Regt. RA Large (For Forage & Service Dress Caps), inserted); approved by DOS 14-9-53; authority given as ENC 32 to 54/Offrs/4051 (ORD 17); signed CA Bird; stamped 28 SEP 1953 at base seal: the shield of the Arms of the Board of Ordnance encircled Chief Inspector

This does tie in with the subsequent a/a beret sized badge being all gold staybrite.

[badjez]

Alan,

I believe this is the cap badge.

30.12.53. Badges approved by regiment.
Cap badge- 1 13/16" high. Width 1 ¾".
Beret badge- 1 3/8" high. Width 1 ¼".
Collar badge- RA grenade.
30.12.53. WO authority was received for the use of the traditional cap badge.
Cap badge was to be 1 13/16" high- the pre-war size.
Cap badge sealed as catalogue number CB1846 in GM and CB3198 in AA.
Beret badge was to be 1 3/8" high. Beret badge sealed as catalogue number CB1847 in GM and CB3173 in AA.

Stephen.

[Alan O]

This photo taken in 1944 in NW Europe proves that the LSH Gunners continued to wear their Yeomanry badges.

[Mike Jackson]

An excellent image of the two LSH Gunners. Thanks for posting it. Here's another - earlier in the War. Mike
Loyal Suffolk Hussars.jpg

[Alan O]

Great photo and nice confirmation that they was continuation of use of the cap badge pre-war, early war and at the end. Some Yeomanry badges were resurrected mid war so it's nice to see this photo.

[Alan O]

I do wonder if the right hand Yeoman is wearing the smaller w/m castle collar badge in his GS cap? I have seen it written that the old collar badges were worn by the ORs. However as they were wearing RA grenades in the inter war period I did wonder if the ID as a collar was right and they are not confusing post war w/m collars for ww2 badges.

[kingsley]

Not really relevant to economy badges, but many years ago I had (and exchanged) an original bimetal Loyal Suffolk Hussars badge which appeared to be a manufacturer's error, with the date 1795 instead of 1793. Has anyone ever seen another?

[ShaunC71]

Hi,I'm a detectorists,while detecting in Nowton park Bury st Edmunds I found this loyal Suffolk hussars 1795,is this the misprint you mean? Thank you