Territorial RGA Cronology

[Rob Miller]

From information on the forum where I gather collars weren't worn during WW1 and various books I have come up with this, but am I right? Rob.

1 1908-1914
2 1914-1917
3 1917-1918
4 1918-1921
5 1921-?

[jeanpit-frenchy]

hi

according with "the dress of the royal artillery" from d alastair CAMPELL

for the collars

grenade universal pattern, height 1 1/4 inches
from 1880 to 1914 (tunic other ranks)

no collar during WW1

grenade universal pattern, height 1 1/4 inches
1924 to 1926( jacket service dress, other ranks)

grenade royal engineers pattern (9 flammes) height 1 1/4 inches
1926 to 1928 (jacket service dress, other ranks)

grenade with "ubique" on the scroll height 1 1/4 inches
1928 to date (jacket service dress , other ranks)

nothing in the book about the end of WW1 to 1924 ???????????????, perhaps no collar !


the 3 collars below the picture

[Rob Miller]

Thanks for the reply, so you think it's more like this?
Rob.

1 1908-1914
2 1914-1917
3 1917-1918
4 1918-1921
5 1921-1924
6 1924-1926
7 1926-1928
8 1928-?

[badjez]

I might be tempted to alter your suggested date etc slightly:

1 1908-1914
2 1914-1916
3 1916-1919
4 1919-1920
5 1921-1924
6 1924-1926
7 1926-1924

In 1916 the County Territorial Forces Associations stopped issuing badges to TF units, all units being supplied by Ordnance with badges bearing battle honours. The RGA therefore wore 'UBIQUE' instead of the laurel wreath on their cap badge.
Around the same time the metal 'RGA' stopped being issued, replaced by a cloth slip-on (later to be stitched to the jacket) and the 'economy' GM cap badge introduced. Production of the gun only lasted a few months before the voided version was re-imtroduced.
Between a unit being demobilised 1919/1920 until 1921 there was no TA: they weren't raised again until 1921.
The RGA and RFA branches were redesignated 'Brigades of Royal Artillery' in 1924, shortly after which any T/ RGA that had survived the war would have been slowly withdrawn, and replaced by metal 'RA' titles. Whether a 'T' was worn above the 'RA' I am uncertain about: Westlake doesn't show any in his shoulder title book, but Litchfield does. I've never seen any one piece ones.
In all cases no badge that was being worn would have been changed until it needed replacing by way of maintenance. A mixture of badges could have been worn throughout wartime units.

Stephen.

[Rob Miller]

Thanks Stephen, I think I begin to understand it all know.

Rob.

[jeanpit-frenchy]

hi


please can you confirm (sorry my english wasn't very good )
the slip on titles (like the 2 on the picture) are used from 1916 to 1924 ?

idem for the slip on title of RFA ?

[badjez]

Yes, I think both the slip-on RGA and RFA are of Great war style. I have similar, but have never been convinced they are of 1916-1919 vintage. Like the Suffolk Regt versions there are just too many around compared with other units.

Stephen.