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Royal Fusiliers, "large badge"
I have had this Royal Fusiliers badge (140mmx105mm) since the formation of the Regiment in 1968 and have no idea where it was (is?) worn. I have placed it beside the current beret badge for comparison. Long (approx. 20mm ) prongs on the reverse.
May have been an initial issue for the Colour Belt. Ideas, suggestions and photographic evidence welcome please Best wishes Gordon |
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Difficult to judge sizes but is this the badge worn by Pioneers on their aprons ?
P.B.
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Gordon,
I had the same thought as Peter, I have a different pic of the Pioneers but like Peter's they are wearing a badge with the narrower flame pattern, I even checked pics of the Antelope mascot & he is wearing narrow flames too!! I'll keep looking but it must be something along those lines, All the best for now, Wilf. |
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Hi there,
I have this badge in my Variant Infantry album at 135x105mm and was told it was worn in the fur cap by the Royal Fusiliers. Am I missing something in that it was not worn in the fur cap? Regards Dean |
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RRF Drummers large badge JM.jpg[ATTACH]84862[/ATTACH
post-821-1220135452.jpgRRF Piper.jpg First seen within the Fusilier Brigade/RRF and it was indeed worn on the fur cap and later the apron. The attached lovely photo did infact appear in the MHS Bulletin many years ago showing it actually being worn in the fur cap, but as you can imagine it looked well out of place, when considering the slender patterns that had previosly been worn by Fusilier Regiments. The photo of the Pioneers show's the later pattern 'fur cap' grenade, which was an absolute 'abortion'(see attached), also adopted for wear with the apron, but with scarlet cloth backing, as seen in the attached coloured plate. The same badge was also adopted by the Northumbrian Piper of 1st RRF, as a plaid broach. The large grenade which I own has a black cloth backing, which again would be for the apron, but to-date I cannot find which battalion wore it. |
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Hello Gordon,
With the ' Fur Cap ' grenade being worn differently depending on the circumstances, it is blatantly obvious that your version with such wide flames is a made up effort and it should be sent to Tamworth straight away to be destroyed properly Dave.
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Now that's interesting - note the direction of St.George & Dragon on your old RRF grenade to the one I've illustrated, which belongs to a former RRF man!!!
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Hello Graham,
With the risk of me showing myself up......again. I believe both my examples are Royal Regiment of Fusiliers rather than Northumberland Fusiliers type, if I'm wrong, the smilie is suitable Dave. PS, Now I'm confused, my two are facing the same way as the Northumberland Fusiliers, I must have erred somewhere in the past and bought the wrong badges, if they are not RRF or RF they are outside my remit, help please someone ??? Dave
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RRF 1968 pattern grenade badge
Hi Peter, Wilf, Dean, Graham and Dave
Many thanks for all your responses; I think we have now found an answer or at least a part of it. The clincher for me is Graham's picture of the Corps of Drums wearing what I now believe to be the badge I put up initially in their Fusilier caps or bearskins. I am assuming this dates from c1968. Whereas I am familiar with what we might call the usual (i.e. "slimmer") form of the Fusilier Grenade, as in Dave's photograph, the 1968 version is much wider and clearly different. So thank you all for your contributions. It now begs the question as to whether or not this same 1968 pattern was also worn on the Pioneers apron? Does anyone have another picture, like the Corps of Drums, with RRF Pioneers wearing their aprons please? Is there a coloured backing and if so what colour? Best wishes Gordon |
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I have a full run of 'The Fusilier' at home, which is the Journal of the RRF, but I work abroad so can't look through them. |
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It was known as "the Drummy's badge" as I believe one was worn in the fur cap by the Drum Major. I have a photo of the Drummy at Buckingham Palace in 1976, I believe that he was wearing the badge then, but I suspect that the badge won't be identifiable as wide or narrow flamed as it was combed in to the fur. During the 70's I saw the badge at Greenwich Market & another place I can't remember, they were described as officer's badges & selling for £10. I never bought one as I was hoping that I'd aquire one for nothing via the battalion - it took me until a couple of years ago to get one, & it cost me more than £10. During the 70's Drummers wore a one piece yellow metal striking, prone to snapping at the neck, hence the "abortion" purchased from a manufacturer in Pakistan in about January 1980. Horrible cast things, they had an attractive pure copper coloured sheen when new. I actually found one of them still in it's wrapping paper during a garage clear out this morning. Anyway, the "big badge" - identified by Graham from photos as worn by Drummers of the Royal Fusiliers during the Fusilier Brigade era & it was presumably worn by the other three regiments of the Fus Brigade. |
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