Canadian Tank badge?

I currently have two of these badges in my CAC/RCAC section of my collection and was wondering if somebody could educate me more on them. Are the two examples below Canadian issue or British? How many different varieties of this badge are there? Any other info would be much appreciated.

thanks

[Bill A]

Hi Lorne, Canadian armoured regiments wore this identification well into the post war period. The Sherbrooke Regt 12 Armd and Le Regt de Hull were two who took the patch into wear.

[Mike Jackson]

For comparison here is a British variant, Korean War vintage.
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[Mike Jackson]

Here are two Canadian badges - from a contemporary (WW2) display mounted on a cushion cover made of window blackout material.
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Originally Posted by Bill A

Hi Lorne, Canadian armoured regiments wore this identification well into the post war period. The Sherbrooke Regt 12 Armd and Le Regt de Hull were two who took the patch into wear.

Hi Bill, I was under the impression that this badge was standard wear for Tank regiments but optional for Armoured regiments is this correct? I know from photographic evidence that The Sherbrooke Fusiliers Regiment wore the badge in late 1942 and into 1943 when a Tank regiment but after becoming a Armoured regiment they seem to have dropped it. You mentioned that the Sherbrooke Regiment 12th Armoured adopted this badge, I was under the impression that it was dropped after the war. I've seen quite a few pics of the Sher Reg in the 1950's and have never seen this badge in wear. Can you give any more info on the post war use of this badge?

Has for the two badges that I posted are these of Canadian or British origin? What tell tale differences are there between Canadina and British issue Tank badges? Sorry for all the questions but this is new territory for me.

Thanks

[Bill A]

Hi Lorne, Have a good look at the photos that you recently purchased. Sherbrooke's wearing the tank badge. The use of the badge in the post war was something I just discovered in the last year or so. It was approved for the units that asked to wear the badge, but the practice was not universal.
The tank badge was an odd history. In Canada it was used to designate trained tank crew in regiments that were formerly infantry. And then that really doesn't describe the use properly. The units in 4 CAB, the CGG, GGFG, and BCR's wore the tank badge, but the armoured regiments of the 5 CAD did not. It was worn by some of the tank regiments of the independent armoured brigades. It was finally taken out of wear for all armoured regiments circa late 1943.

Thanks Bill for the info, I'll have to take a look throught my photo collection and see what I can find. The only question that remains is how does one differentiate between a Canadian made Tank badge and a British made Tank badge?

Originally Posted by Bill A

Hi Lorne, Have a good look at the photos that you recently purchased. Sherbrooke's wearing the tank badge. The use of the badge in the post war was something I just discovered in the last year or so. It was approved for the units that asked to wear the badge, but the practice was not universal.
The tank badge was an odd history. In Canada it was used to designate trained tank crew in regiments that were formerly infantry. And then that really doesn't describe the use properly. The units in 4 CAB, the CGG, GGFG, and BCR's wore the tank badge, but the armoured regiments of the 5 CAD did not. It was worn by some of the tank regiments of the independent armoured brigades. It was finally taken out of wear for all armoured regiments circa late 1943.

Hi Bill. I've gone through all the images I have of the Sherbrooke Regiment dated from the late 1940's to the late 1950's (over 100) and was unable to find any evidence of the Tank badge in wear by the Sherbrooke Regiment. Have you seen any photo evidence of this badge being worn by the Sherbrooke Regiment or documentation to support this? I'm not disputing what you said earlier I only wish to clarify this.

Thanks

Here's another Tank badge I just picked up. Any thoughts on this one, Brit or Canadian?

[fearnaught]

Hi Lorne, my understanding was that Canadian badges were on a greener khaki backing cloth, maybe Bill can clarify that? Mike

[Bill A]

Been putting some thought into Lorne's question. I am not sure a Brit/Cdn distinction can be made. The badges were a standard design, and Cdn makers did embroider the badges, but I don't know if there is any clear way to distinguish one from the other. Personnel acquired their badges both in Canada and overseas, making it difficult to determine the sources. Further information needs to be found.

Originally Posted by fearnaught

Hi Lorne, my understanding was that Canadian badges were on a greener khaki backing cloth, maybe Bill can clarify that? Mike

Hi Mike thanks for the response. This was my understanding as well but I've never seen anything to confirm this.

Originally Posted by Bill A

Been putting some thought into Lorne's question. I am not sure a Brit/Cdn distinction can be made. The badges were a standard design, and Cdn makers did embroider the badges, but I don't know if there is any clear way to distinguish one from the other. Personnel acquired their badges both in Canada and overseas, making it difficult to determine the sources. Further information needs to be found.

Thanks Bill, I didn't realize that so little was known about the origin of the different patterns of the tank badge. Seems there always one more question to answer.

[fearnaught]

Hi Bill, Bwetdude posted some Sherbrooke Fusilier slip-ons with a tank arm badge and that had a definite green khaki tinge, but I can well imagine that they got British manufactured badges over here. Would the tan tank arm badge have been British made? best wishes Mike

[Bill A]

Hi Mike, I have examined several badges in my accumulation, and they were a variety of shades of khaki, and a wide range of backing materials. I think the shade of green is attributable to a particular maker, and probably a Canadian one, but there are other runs that were made on other colours of material. Unfortunately, the records at archives do not describe the colours of the base fabric. (The documents that I have reviewed.)