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Old 19-02-19, 12:45 PM
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Hello,
As a collector of Prize badges this one has me stumped.

At first glance it appears to be a type of the early Volunteer Shooting badge with the addition of a single star for Best Marksman at 350 to 600 yards.

However closer examination reveals the following differences:-

1. Facing the wrong direction
2. No sling
3. Large star.
4. Very unusual colours of Light Blue on a purpley grey backing

So can anyone ID it please from its style or colours.

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Old 19-02-19, 01:05 PM
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The design of the Rifle is similar to the old Cadet badges.

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Old 19-02-19, 01:10 PM
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Marc,

Yes I have just compared it and it is similar indeed.

That series of badges DO face left also but have 5 pointed stars, so again some differences.

The rear construction of mine would make me believe it is a Victorian badge, BUT, possibly a Cadet link?

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I think the colour combo will assist in ID'ing it.

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Old 19-02-19, 01:13 PM
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The purple - grey backing, could there be a link to the London Scottish with their Hodden Grey tartan?
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Old 19-02-19, 01:54 PM
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Very handsome thing, do you think when looking at the badge, it's colours may have altered a little through the passage of time, just from the photograph, much more difficult to tell, but, I dare say easier when you have the badge in your hand, or, are they still really vivid?

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Hello,
As a collector of Prize badges this one has me stumped.

At first glance it appears to be a type of the early Volunteer Shooting badge with the addition of a single star for Best Marksman at 350 to 600 yards.

However closer examination reveals the following differences:-

1. Facing the wrong direction
2. No sling
3. Large star.
4. Very unusual colours of Light Blue on a purpley grey backing

So can anyone ID it please from its style or colours.

regards
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Old 19-02-19, 02:20 PM
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London Scottish is a good call.

Colours are accurate, because I can see same by careful inspection of the rear.

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The purple - grey backing, could there be a link to the London Scottish with their Hodden Grey tartan?
Good call L/ Scots cadets. loverly badge .
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I was disappointed some time ago not to win the badge in the attached photo which I think has a connection with West Lancashire Cadets.

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A nice badge, and yet another I'd never seen before.
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I was disappointed some time ago not to win the badge in the attached photo which I think has a connection with West Lancashire Cadets.

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Almost certainly a badge awarded for participation in the Asburton Cup

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Old 19-02-19, 07:53 PM
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I think the colours are potentially very telling indeed, but, if I were a betting man and if there was no question, whatsoever, of a cadet link, my money would be on the plastron tunic of the East Riding of Yorkshire Yeomanry, or, perhaps even the same, of the City of London Yeomanry.

Still a really unusual find these days which I like very much.

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Marc,

Yes I have just compared it and it is similar indeed.

That series of badges DO face left also but have 5 pointed stars, so again some differences.

The rear construction of mine would make me believe it is a Victorian badge, BUT, possibly a Cadet link?

regards

I think the colour combo will assist in ID'ing it.

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Old 19-02-19, 08:10 PM
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Frank,

I like those two suggestions and the colour combos.

I am not convinced its anything to do with Cadets but certainly similar, somewhere between the Victorian Volunteer Badge and the much later Cadet shooting badges.

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Hi all,

I came across this one:
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That is a bit of a "Frankenstein" made up of a Cadet Force "Second Class Shot Badge for the .22 Rifle" with a Red "Cert A Part II" Qualification star attached. The Cert A was discontinued circa 1973/74 so it could date from any time before then.

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Thank you for the information.
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