'CUT & SHUT' AYRSHIRE

[Alan O]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Earl-...d=352429648133

I might be wrong but the solid cast scroll has been added to a die struck main body. 'Cut and shut' in the used car world!

[Luke H]

Alan,

Is that definitely the correct link? The whole badge appears die struck just with very poor reverse detail from a worn die.

Luke

[btns]

The latest trick by e-bay is to show you another listing and not the one you want to see.

You can find the original listing by copying the original link to notepad.
Then take the last number (oid = original identity?).
On the e-bay page, open 'advanced' and click 'closed auctions'.
Drop the original item number inyo the search box and click 'search'.

E-bay takes you to the 'closed auction page'
(see the link:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_n..._dmd=1&_ipg=50

Click on it.
On the next page click on the link "original listing" to see the original page object.

It will take ebay a couple of months to find this loophole and close it down

[Frank Kelley]

Not a seller with a great reputation, and as a result, not one that I would bother to look at.

Originally Posted by Alan O

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Earl-...d=352429648133

I might be wrong but the solid cast scroll has been added to a die struck main body. 'Cut and shut' in the used car world!

[Alan O]

This thread shows a genuine 1915 badge which is fully die struck and has the 1st pattern feathers.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=ayrshire

The badge on ebay has the later pattern feather arrangement seen on the scrolled version badges. The most easily identifiable difference is in the large gap between the largest first and second feathers in the centre. The later version is much less pronounced.

[General Ignorance]

[Alan O]

I recently picked this one up. Same 2 part construction but this time with a lead solder. It has considerable polish to the front.

If this design dates from 1915 then it would not have been procured by the Army Clothing department at that time as they did not equip the yeomanry with their badges until 1916. Even then they did not issue all the regtl designs.

I believe that the Ayrshire yeomanry wore peaked caps in 1915 so the badge would have been issued with a slider if it was a sealed pattern - this one is clearly not.

[Alan O]

For reference this is a picture of the Ayrshire IY badge which was worn into WW1 which shows the differences in design. It has been suggested that the 1915 badge is a regtl modification. However the design is not that of the IY badge so it is not a regtl modification but a different die.

[Alan O]

I recently re-read Gaylor's book who states that the badge was designed cicrca 1916 when the regt was in the Middle East by a SSM White.

The 1/1st Bn departed UK in Oct 15 wearing the IY badge. (see photo).

The second photo is the regtly designed badge worn by a member of 2/1st Bn who were in UK. The wing tips and voids match the 2nd pattern badge.

[leigh kitchen]

"Thanks button" for this info.

[Alan O]

I had not realised that like several yeomanry regts, the 1st/1st were badged to the regular battalions in 1917. In their case, they became part of a RSF battalion.