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Old 22-08-16, 03:58 PM
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Some highlights from the NDCDC, April 2016:

Number of Specialist Skill Badges DHH
DHH had been tasked with mocking up a new policy for the 265 on the wearing of specialty skill badges and commendations on the right band side of the tunic. Current policy allows one specialty skill badge above the name tag and up to three total items, either badges or commendations below the name tag. Recognizing that there is a wide array of sizes and combinations for both items, the proposal accepted by NDCDC was to put a limit as to the size of the area on the tunic where these items can be worn, and to place guidelines on their placement, and members will be free to wear as many items as they can fit in the area specified in accordance with those guidelines.


Product improvement to the Gabardine to a double breasted style with brass buttons and a belt, with a lighter interior lining

Mr. Bryden is working on a Statement of Requirements for a badging project for the Army, developing suitable badges for CADPAT, for Level 2 and Level 3 Formation Patches, Specialty Skill Badges etc. He requested the support of the LI chiefs to push him any requirements for badges that their members in CADP AT may require, which are not necessarily Army centric. New badges for operational dress will be full colour in subdued thread that should fit the needs of all three environments.

Project to develop new DEU for CANSOFCOM so that all previous elemental affiliations will be changed and create unit cohesion. Uniform will be based on the Devil's Brigade uniform (Tan and Brown) and is being developed in conjunction with DSSPM. Pattern will be based on the current Army pattern but with a different colour pant and jacket.

Briefing note was presented on the creation of a new Specialist Skill Badge for qualified Door Gunners. Request was approved, badge creation is to commence through DHH, RCAF and the office of the CHA.
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Old 22-08-16, 04:36 PM
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Hi Bruce, I thought it was Lt.-Col. Bryden? He was the key officer behind the implementatoin of the return to the old army ranks, the div patches for the army in Canada, etc.
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Old 22-08-16, 04:56 PM
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This is a cut and paste from the original document. Typo? Retired? There is a PJ Bryden listed as G1 Heritage CA, no rank listed.
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Old 22-08-16, 05:07 PM
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Hmm. He may have retired, but why would they put him in charge of this project?
Bruce, can you help me out with the meaning of Level 2 and Level 3 formation patches? What does that mean?
And reading between the lines(??), the army DEU is to be replaced? With a uniform based on the FSSF US tunic?? The Americanization continues...
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Old 22-08-16, 05:40 PM
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Level 2 and 3 refers to brigade and division. And the way I read this CANSOFCOM will get their own DEU, so there will be 4: Navy, Army, Air, and Special Forces.
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Old 22-08-16, 05:50 PM
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What a waste of money. They are complaining about equipment and training shortages, yet there are funds for a change in uniform?
Thanks for the clarification on the "levels".
I had heard a rumour that the DEU is being replaced for the army element. It was supposed to be like the old service dress. Supposedly, the existing DEU insignia could simply be worn on the new issue.
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Old 22-08-16, 06:07 PM
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I have heard the same rumour, there is a push on to return to a traditional colour (khaki or brown). How rifle green that we have been wearing for almost 50 years isn't traditional I don't know?
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I have heard the same rumour, there is a push on to return to a traditional colour (khaki or brown). How rifle green that we have been wearing for almost 50 years isn't traditional I don't know?

Perhaps "Rifle Green" smells too much of Paul Hellyer's unification of the canadian forces and/or some people want to cut all ties with that period.....and it could be another make work project....


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Old 22-08-16, 09:03 PM
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Default Emulating US Army SWW Uniforms

For the SF DEU I wonder which US SWW uniform will be emulated, the Enlisted Man's M-1942 18 Ounce Olive Drab Serge Wool Coat with corresponding wool Trousers or the Officer's Olive Drab Dark Elastique Wool Coat with rose shade wool trousers which were sometimes called 'Pinks and Greens'. Both of these uniforms were worn by the 1SSF. I have heard that US Corcoran black Parachute Boots will be adapted with this new DEU although during the SWW the boots were in brown.

Keeping with tradition I would guess the coveted Tan Beret (which stems from the SAS) will exchanged for the US OD Garrison Cap, perhaps with 1SSF red/white/blue piping?
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Old 23-08-16, 02:13 AM
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Here is the newest 2016 version of A-DH-265-000-AG-001 - Canadian Forces Dress Instructions here:
http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-.../index-eng.asp
The RCR's also have their standing orders showing the current uniforms as well.
http://thercr.ca/main/images/downloads/20160101RSOs.pdf
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Old 23-08-16, 06:02 PM
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New dress manual is out of date already!
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Hmm. He may have retired, but why would they put him in charge of this project?
Good day Bill,

With strength of numbers set at a certain level, if you need new troops of all ranks at the sharp end, then you have to give up positions in the support trades. This means jobs that use to be military are now filled by civilians. Example - PERI staff, Postal personnel, kitchen staff

This might have been what happened in this officer's department. And as he was the last CF service member in that position, they had him write the Employment Requirement. He wrote it so good that he was the only one who could fill it. So he walks off the base on Friday as a uniformed CF officer and returns as a mufti wearing civvie on Monday.

Cynical? Maybe. Bitter? Not as bad recently. But if you don't remember shouting "Bullets" on an exercise, then you didn't live through the "Decade of Darkness".

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Old 24-08-16, 12:45 AM
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Ian, my understanding, and I stand to be corrected, is that Lt.-Col. Bryden was the Army G1 Heritage Officer. As Mr. Bryden it appears that he has retired and been tasked as a civilian to complete this. He may well be the only one able to fill the requirements.
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Old 24-08-16, 04:53 PM
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No comments on overcoats with brass buttons?

The plethora of wings, badges that will be authorized for the DEU? On the right side?

New badges for operational dress will be full colour in subdued thread? Full colour but subdued? Any ideas?
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Ref the subdued badges in full colour, I take it to mean that the majority of the badge (wings, laurel wreaths etc) will be in the greish high visibility thread but details such as maple leaves and colour within crowns etc will be in colour. This is purely a guess, though.
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