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Old 24-01-16, 04:14 PM
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I too find it interesting and it further substantiates the WO directive for Fusilier Rgts to wear the former Glengarry badge in the slouch hat . Recall that we have seen that this plan was formalized in 1902 and some badges with sliders were sealed in 1903.

The project was short lived but this evidence seems to further substantiate that issues did get made but we had discussed previously that The Northumberland Fusiliers did not seem to have been issued the badge . I suspect that this grenade had a long slider .

There are several previous discussions one of which is here,

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...grenade+slouch


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John - I'm going to create some controvesy here, by saying that the photo in question doesn't portray a true picture of the slouch hat within the NF. I own the largest collection of Regimental Journals outside of the Museum and have been going through them to try and establish if what you say was common practice.

The fact is photographs in these journals, where the slouch hat is worn do not show glengarry badges worn. However what is evident is the red 'V' pagri, this especially so in a lower deck photo of the S.S. Aurania, which brought the 2nd Bn back to Southampton in 1903 and no badge being worn at all on the upturned left hand side.

A second photo of the Sgts of the 5th Fusiliers M.I. Coy, 6th Mounted Infantry Regt, taken at Standerton, South Africa, again show the red 'V' pagri in evidence, with(from the poor imagery) the standard capbadge being worn on the upturned side and possibly the 6th M.I. badge being worn above the red 'V'.

I would reproduce these for your viewing, but this is a multi-Volume book(1903-1907) and in very delicate condition, so cannot be scanned. I'll try general photography, but don't think the images will come out particularly well.

Therefore my conclusion is, that the photo produced by JT although showing the glengarry badge in the slouch hat, wasn't universally worn throughout the NF - who prefered the inclusion of the red 'V' pagri on the slouch hat in conjuction with their FSH's. Nor do I think they are long slidered, but probably the lugged variety.

Why this small group is different is beyond me and I would dearly love to know why.

On top of which I do have photo's in my collection of the 3rd Bn's M.I. Coy and the preferred head-dress is either the Broderick or the FSH.

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John - I'm going to create some controvesy here, by saying that the photo in question doesn't portray a true picture of the slouch hat within the NF.

Therefore my conclusion is, that the photo produced by JT although showing the glengarry badge in the slouch hat, wasn't universally worn throughout the NF - who prefered the inclusion of the red 'V' pagri on the slouch hat in conjuction with their FSH's. Nor do I think they are long slidered, but probably the lugged variety.

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Thank you for your input. I do not find your opinion controversial.

It is my view that the intended issue of the Glengarry Grenade with slider for universal wear in the slouch hat and FSH by Fusilier Regiments was never fully implemented before it was abandoned.

In fact I would agree with you that it's adoption was minimal. This is true of the Royal Munster Fusiliers also.

What the image shows is that partial adoption occurred by some regiments. This, along with the sealing data, WO instructions and examples of some regimental Glengarry Badges with sliders allows specialist collectors to understand the intended purpose of this badge.

I defer to you fully on the habits and practices of The Northumberland Fusiliers.


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