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Old 15-02-14, 05:56 PM
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I have been sent these pictures by a Rifle Club who found the badge amongst their records. The badge is brass and measures 10 cm by 5.5 cm. You will notice that the "Honi Soit..." is not centred and there is an odd silver centrepiece. I have assured the Rifle Club that members of this forum will come up with a satisfactory answer and solve the problem in half a trice. My own thoughts are that it is part of the decorations on a horse harness. Appreciate any help.
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Old 15-02-14, 07:03 PM
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I have been sent these pictures by a Rifle Club who found the badge amongst their records. The badge is brass and measures 10 cm by 5.5 cm. You will notice that the "Honi Soit..." is not centred and there is an odd silver centrepiece. I have assured the Rifle Club that members of this forum will come up with a satisfactory answer and solve the problem in half a trice. My own thoughts are that it is part of the decorations on a horse harness. Appreciate any help.
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I don't know about 'half at trice' it may take a little longer
but for what its worth, I think you could be right, it maybe a piece of Horse furniture, possibly from a breast plate.
However, I have no idea what it pertains too, it could be military, but there again could it be civil? interesting piece though.

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Old 15-02-14, 08:10 PM
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Hi Peter/Rob,

You are both correct, its horse furniture. Martingale badge to one of the household Regt,s . off the top of my head I can’t remember which one.

Keep hold of it, only ever seen yours mine with the leather backing and one other.

Will post a pic of mine on my return to the Uk

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Peter

I don't know about 'half at trice' it may take a little longer
but for what its worth, I think you could be right, it maybe a piece of Horse furniture, possibly from a breast plate.
However, I have no idea what it pertains too, it could be military, but there again could it be civil? interesting piece though.

Regards
Rob

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Old 17-02-14, 09:23 AM
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Hi Peter/Rob,

You are both correct, its horse furniture. Martingale badge to one of the household Regt,s . off the top of my head I canít remember which one.

Keep hold of it, only ever seen yours mine with the leather backing and one other.

Will post a pic of mine on my return to the Uk

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Tony

Spot on! I think its a Blues & Royals Officers Breast plate Device, I can't find a decent image but the description is in 'The Household Cavalry Regiment' by Roy Manser, quote: 'a brass boss bearing a crown over the garter, with a scalloped centre piece in steel', and that sounds about right, I hope so.

The other ranks ones are quite common, officers much less so, actually I don't recall ever seeing one for sale.

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Old 17-02-14, 12:31 PM
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Tony

Spot on! I think its a Blues & Royals Officers Breast plate Device, I can't find a decent image but the description is in 'The Household Cavalry Regiment' by Roy Manser, quote: 'a brass boss bearing a crown over the garter, with a scalloped centre piece in steel', and that sounds about right, I hope so.

The other ranks ones are quite common, officers much less so, actually I don't recall ever seeing one for sale.

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Rob

The only problem I have with that is the "Honi Soit.." bit is not within a Garter, which seems unlikely. However the rest seems to match perfectly.

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Old 17-02-14, 12:57 PM
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Rob

The only problem I have with that is the "Honi Soit.." bit is not within a Garter, which seems unlikely. However the rest seems to match perfectly.

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Peter

I know what you mean normally a garter has an end hanging from the bottom of it etc. but I would suggest that the circle containing the Honi Soit... etc. might be classed as a garter in this instance?, or this is a variant? or the description isn't quite accurate?, which does happen.

Also, I think your breast plate device is use for 'Review Order' also there is I believe another 'Regimental' Breast plate device, which was used in 'Guard Order' (though this may just apply to the Life Guards). Household Cavalry Dress reg's, even for Horses, appear to be a bit of nightmare to understand, excuse the puns!

Tony might have a view on this or another member of the forum perhaps there's an ex HCMR Officer in our midst

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Old 17-02-14, 11:31 PM
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Hi Rob,Peter,

Rob thanks for the website reference . How did you miss the nag with the horse furniture under discussion . It's as clear as black and white excuse the pun . Something I have learned it's also worn as a bit boss.
Looking into why the garter is the way it is .
Image under drum horse full dress Blues and Royals.

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I know what you mean normally a garter has an end hanging from the bottom of it etc. but I would suggest that the circle containing the Honi Soit... etc. might be classed as a garter in this instance?, or this is a variant? or the description isn't quite accurate?, which does happen.

Also, I think your breast plate device is use for 'Review Order' also there is I believe another 'Regimental' Breast plate device, which was used in 'Guard Order' (though this may just apply to the Life Guards). Household Cavalry Dress reg's, even for Horses, appear to be a bit of nightmare to understand, excuse the puns!

Tony might have a view on this or another member of the forum perhaps there's an ex HCMR Officer in our midst

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Old 18-02-14, 12:01 AM
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Hi All,

Clearly jet lagged see link for a better pic,s . Also in Black and white

http://www.pinterest.com/ihatehousew...oyals-for-dad/

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Old 18-02-14, 11:15 AM
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Hi All,

Clearly jet lagged see link for a better pic,s . Also in Black and white

http://www.pinterest.com/ihatehousew...oyals-for-dad/

Tony C
Tony

That's brilliant. No doubt about it - case closed. Would I be right in saying that the horse shown is the mount of an officer from the Blues and Royals, in that you can just see a black 'beard' bottom left.

Once again many thanks.

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Old 18-02-14, 01:55 PM
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I can see one of my own images on that page.
so how does pinterest work then with copyright ?
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Old 18-02-14, 04:09 PM
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Clearly jet lagged see link for a better pic,s . Also in Black and white

http://www.pinterest.com/ihatehousew...oyals-for-dad/

Tony C
Hi Tony

I was looking at Officers mounts, overlooked the Drum horse never mind.

As you say worn as bit boss as well, which when you think it through should not really surprise us, as O/R's state bits have the royal cypher with waterloo peninsular bit boss's which is also used as a breast plate ornament

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Old 22-02-14, 11:19 AM
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Many thanks for contributions from Forum Members - as expected the Forum came up trumps and here is the proof - the badge can be clearly seen as part of the Horse's harness.
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Old 22-02-14, 11:21 AM
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Somehow the picture got left behind here is another try.
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