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Old 03-10-21, 01:37 PM
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Default RNVR NZ ww2 cap tally

Hi there,

I am the happy owner of two photos albums from the same identified new zealand sailor who was drafted in 1940, then served in the Atlantic escort convoys from 1941, and later in the war, in the Mediterranean sea & Indian ocean. He finished the war as a sub-lieutnant.

Here is a pic of him taken during 1940/41 winter, in Canada, Halifax NS.

I wonder if anyone could identify & let me know the complete label of his cap tally, which only shows a part of it, obviously "xxx New ZeaLand xxx"?

Thanks & Best Regards,

JD
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Old 03-10-21, 05:09 PM
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JD, I tried to clarify it and darken it a bit, but that didn't really help much. I think what you are seeing on the right side (facing it) is the rest of the word Zealand. Cannot guess the left side.

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Old 03-10-21, 05:46 PM
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Hi Terry,

Thank you for your searches and message.

What I published is only part of the full pic. This sailor was serving aboard HMS Buxford, at the time of the pic. On the rest of the pic can be seen a senior lady hosting him and a ship mate (himself wearing a HMS cap tally), while on leave.

First time I notice this xxx NZ xxx cap tally, hence this post.

Cheers,

JD

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Old 03-10-21, 07:48 PM
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Three possibilities;

(1) H.M.S. NEW ZEALAND.

Unlikely due to the fact that she was sold in 1922, the cap is the type introduced in the 1930's and the picture was taken in 1940 or 1941.

(2) R.F.R. NEW ZEALAND.

(3) R.N.V.R. (crown over anchor) NEW ZEALAND.

Looking at the image, I would go with (3)
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your cap ribbon will be the pre and early war RNVR (New Zealand Division) type.
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Old 04-10-21, 10:28 AM
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Gents,

Thank you for your lights & attached illustration pic Barry. RNVR NZ then. One can very well see from pic & Barry’s shared cap tally that the first symbol left to the ‘New’ is higher than all other letters. So perfect fit.
I will double-check again the captions on the first album (with 1940+ pics), as I think I saw there a few references to NZ RNVR.

Best Regards,

Jean-Daniel

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Quote:
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This sailor was serving aboard HMS Buxford, at the time of the pic.
Could that be HMS Buxton ?

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Commissioned in the Royal Navy 8 October 1940 as HMS Buxton, the overage destroyer served in Canadian waters briefly as the U-boat war intensified. She was then allocated to 6th Escort Group, Western Approaches Command, for dangerous and vital duty keeping the supply line open to Britain. In October 1943, when newer escorts were available, she was lent to the Royal Canadian Navy, and stationed at Digby, Nova Scotia, until the end of 1944.
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HMS Buxton, yes (not Buxford!).

Thanks for the correction.

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Keeping scanning the pics, further in the album, there is another sharper pic of the same sailor clearly showing the cap tally discussed above.
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My RNVR New Zealand hat, the name is a bit difficult to make out, but I believe it belonged to David Oswald William Hall who served with the RNZNVR during the war.

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Old 06-10-21, 02:20 PM
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Spot on & very nice one!

Thanks for sharing & Best Regards,

JD
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Hi,

keeping scanning these albums, I came across this pic of the same sailor (same period, early in ww2) wearing the same cap tally, plus on his left forearm what might well be a badge with "RNVR" (a bit blurry on orginal pic, sorry).
Would you please confirm the diagnostic & share a few information about the conditions for wearing this badge on the uniform, once drafted?

Attached the full pic & zoom on badges.

Thanks in advance,

JD
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JD,
The badges being worn, which I think are all gold, are
Upper left arm RNVR good service badge in the form of a narrow chevron (pattern 22). This should not be confused with the good conduct badge of the regular navy which was wider.
Lower left arm are the letters RNVR which indicate that the is a member of the volunteer reserve (pattern 269).
Upper right arm is pair of wings indicating Telegraphist, not trained operator, (wireless telegraphist) and Boy telegraphist (pattern 64).
Lower right arm is a Good Shooting badge for Marksman (pattern 21) in the form of a pair of crossed rifles.
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Old 19-10-21, 09:08 PM
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Hi Barry,

Thank you for all the provided information & attached pictures.

Yes indeed, this sailor was telegraphist (radio operator). He was part of the first british crew which commissioned HMS Buxton in Halifax, end of 1940.
He finished the war as a Sub-Lieutnant RNVR, aboard a LST.

All the best,

JD
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