Victorian Kings Royal Rifle and Rifle Brigade Cap badge help - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

funkeegirl81 · #1 26-10-18, 09:52 AM

Hi I have 2 cap badges one is a 60th foot Kings Rifle cap badge the other is a pre 1903 cap badge for the Rifle Brigade.

I think the Rifle Brigade badge is an example rather than an original but I'm not 100% and completely not sure about the Kings Rifles badge.

So I was hoping someone would be able to help and also help me to identify the real ones from the fake, as I'm very new to collecting military badges. Thank you so much for your help.

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Frank Kelley · #2 26-10-18, 07:18 PM

Both appear to be completely spurious, brand new and certainly lack the detail, actual material and manufacturing of original badges, get a refund.

Sonofacqms · #3 26-10-18, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

Both appear to be completely spurious, brand new and certainly lack the detail, actual material and manufacturing of original badges, get a refund.

I agree with Frank, get a refund . . !

Rob

Luke H · #4 26-10-18, 07:33 PM

I think they’re both real but someone has painted them with thick gloss paint which as Frank says has obscured the detail and is why the blacking is chipped on the back of the KRRC (chemical blacking doesn’t chip). Both badges have had their loops replaced IMO... which probably explains why they’ve been painted.

That the KKRC has voids between the lions feet which is a good sign. The Rifle Brigade also has a void below the Peninsular scroll which I think is a good sign too.

Put some acetone / nail polish on a cotton wool bud and gently rub the back. Gloss paint will come off but the original black finish won’t.

manchesters · #5 26-10-18, 08:25 PM

Both Fakes IMHO.

regards

funkeegirl81 · #6 27-10-18, 02:55 PM

So I’ve cleaned some of the black off and this is what they are starting to look like now. I can’t get my money back on them as I bought them at a military auction 5 badges these 2 and 3 others from the highland regiments. The auction house didn’t say the were fake / reprose so thought I was bidding on real ones. Anyways now the black is coming off, Personally I think they look a lot better, it’s clear the lugs have been replaced not perticully well. What are your thoughts now the black has started to be removed.

Luke H · #7 27-10-18, 03:42 PM

Didn’t notice it before but the lion at 2 o’clock isn’t voided, which is bad. A well known peddler of fakes on eBay sells this badge with the same missing void. Also as you can see removing the paint hasn’t really improved the crispness of the lettering.

I’m not a fan of the colour of the brass on RB badge either. The left loop is quite a bit higher than the right and I can’t see any traces of where I’d have expected to see the original. I’m going to change my mind and go with both as being fakes, sorry.

Frank Kelley · #8 27-10-18, 04:10 PM

Why would anyone replace new lugs upon new badges with new lugs?

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Originally Posted by funkeegirl81

So I’ve cleaned some of the black off and this is what they are starting to look like now. I can’t get my money back on them as I bought them at a military auction 5 badges these 2 and 3 others from the highland regiments. The auction house didn’t say the were fake / reprose so thought I was bidding on real ones. Anyways now the black is coming off, Personally I think they look a lot better, it’s clear the lugs have been replaced not perticully well. What are your thoughts now the black has started to be removed.

funkeegirl81 · #9 27-10-18, 04:44 PM

Well having the black off, I was able to see more what’s going on, I’m a bit gutted as if these are fake then I’m guessing the others are going to be too

I think it was £60 plus auction fees I paid so not a massive loss but still a bit annoying when you’re buying items at a military auction. I’m all very new to this so I’ll guess I’ll learn more as time goes on. That’s if you all don’t mind me asking from time to time?

I have know idea why the lugs would be replaced, they maybe new lugs that haven’t been solder on neatly. Who knows. :\ Thank you all so much for you help.

Frank Kelley · #10 27-10-18, 05:11 PM

Which particular saleroom was it?

funkeegirl81 · #11 27-10-18, 05:36 PM

Lockdales here is the photo of them and the write up, "Cap Badges - 5 original military hat badges - various"

Alan O · #12 27-10-18, 07:04 PM

The Royal Scots is not a good one judging by St Andrew's head.

Phil2M · #13 27-10-18, 07:58 PM

Lockdales have given themselves a really good name here.....not.

kingsley · #14 28-10-18, 04:54 AM

The attached is my complete collection of original pre-1880 Inf glengarry badges. I believe it is original, have had it for about 50 years. Maybe it is time I moved it on if anyone is interested.

Frank Kelley · #15 28-10-18, 08:40 AM

Whilst £60 is a considerable amount of money to simply throw away, I think you should bare in mind that even a single pre 1881 original 60th Rifles is actually worth rather more than that.
I don't understand why you cannot expect to get a refund, if they were clearly being sold as original, I assume this was a recent sale and you have a receipt?

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Originally Posted by funkeegirl81

Well having the black off, I was able to see more what’s going on, I’m a bit gutted as if these are fake then I’m guessing the others are going to be too

I think it was £60 plus auction fees I paid so not a massive loss but still a bit annoying when you’re buying items at a military auction. I’m all very new to this so I’ll guess I’ll learn more as time goes on. That’s if you all don’t mind me asking from time to time?

I have know idea why the lugs would be replaced, they maybe new lugs that haven’t been solder on neatly. Who knows. :\ Thank you all so much for you help.