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Old 15-04-13, 09:51 PM
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Chris,

That is the only reason I could come up with i.e. that the lugged version is for use with the beret only.

Hwyl,

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Chris,

That is the only reason I could come up with i.e. that the lugged version is for use with the beret only.

Hwyl,

Kevin
Hi Kevin,

Could be but lugs were usual (and again I speak from an A/A perspective only) only allowed after permission by the War Office/Army Dress Committee. The original standard for A/A badges was a slider (with a few exceptions).

However, many large size Scottish badges were attired with lugs so it appears that the slider standard was amended to lugs in the cases of large badges, or the head dress type that they were to be used on.

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First bi-metal slider version I have seen
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Old 16-04-13, 02:54 AM
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First bi-metal slider version I have seen
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Kevin

Its interesting that Gaunt have changed the back image of the Bim. badge with slider, specifically the name scroll base? I wonder why they would have gone to the expense of doing that?

My Bim. tri-looped badge has some of the high points polished away from use.

This badge is worn from 1946 to 1956...... so we see a bi-metal tri-looped, a bi-metal slider'ed and an AA slider'ed version during this period of 10 years.

You would expect to see the larger Gaunt makers mark on the slider of the bi-metal? As seen in other Regiments of the period (as shown on the C&D Yeo AA).... 17/21st and LDYPAO as just two examples that I can give.

Have you inspected the "bend" of the slider?
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Hi Kevin,

Could be but lugs were usual (and again I speak from an A/A perspective only) only allowed after permission by the War Office/Army Dress Committee. The original standard for A/A badges was a slider (with a few exceptions).

However, many large size Scottish badges were attired with lugs so it appears that the slider standard was amended to lugs in the cases of large badges, or the head dress type that they were to be used on.

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I have quite a few that come with both fittings HCR,Life Guards,Gurkha Staff Band,RScots Greys wide wings.

With reference to the QOMY ,ive never seen a lugged version.

The only Scottish badges i can think of that have sliders are Glasgow & Strathcylde uni,St Andrews uni,Edinburgh uni both patterns,Fife and Forfar Yeomanary,RSDG and Greys.
If i remember correctly,the Glasgow Uni badge is lugged.

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I have quite a few that come with both fittings HCR,Life Guards,Gurkha Staff Band,RScots Greys wide wings.

With reference to the QOMY ,ive never seen a lugged version.

The only Scottish badges i can think of that have sliders are Glasgow & Strathcylde uni,St Andrews uni,Edinburgh uni both patterns,Fife and Forfar Yeomanary,RSDG and Greys.
If i remember correctly,the Glasgow Uni badge is lugged.
Hi Mike,

QOMY - lugged example in the IWM.

Fife and Forfar Yeomanary - Gaunt unofficial commission from the 1980's so if you have one you should throw it away.

Glasgow University OTC - non A/A slider by Grove Manufacturing.

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QOMY - lugged example in the IWM.

Fife and Forfar Yeomanary - Gaunt unofficial commission from the 1980's so if you have one you should throw it away.

Glasgow University OTC - non A/A slider by Grove Manufacturing.

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Unfortunately there is no access to the IWM at the moment,ive been trying to get a look at that Royal Yeomanry badge described as a/a on the ticket.I think they said sometime in 2014 with regard to the badge collections.Basically theyve said email the National Army Museum they maybe able to help.

There must have been more than one maker of the Glasgow badge then Chris,i dont know what date the Strathcylde part was added.
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I have quite a few that come with both fittings HCR,Life Guards,Gurkha Staff Band,RScots Greys wide wings.

With reference to the QOMY ,ive never seen a lugged version.

The only Scottish badges i can think of that have sliders are Glasgow & Strathcylde uni,St Andrews uni,Edinburgh uni both patterns,Fife and Forfar Yeomanary,RSDG and Greys.
If i remember correctly,the Glasgow Uni badge is lugged.
Mike,
the HCR does not have a bespoke Cap Badge, the Houshold Cavalry does and that is the Garter Strap with crown, however the HCR (Household Cavalry Regiment) is a composite unit of the Life Guards and Blues & Royals (RHG/D).

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Having now seen one of the blank slidered cap badges and checked it against other maker's slider types, including the ones faked in the 1970s, it is my opinion that it is not a Gaunt badge (ruling out it coming from the same source as the unmarked fakes made by Gaunt) but a Marples & Beasley badge.

The slider is identical to the ultra scarce Lancashire Fusilier cap badge and other marked M&B 1950's-60's badge.

Whilsts the style of the POW feathers is different there are other example of 2 makers using different PofW feather designs for the same unit such as the 10th Hussars.
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Are the blank sliders of recent manufacture, produced under MOD licence for the collectors' market? My regiment was amalgamated in 1993 but spanking new, blank slidered badges are appearing regularly. (The only manufacturers were Gaunt and Firmin, the latter being much harder to find).
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Some of the earliest a/a were unmarked. However a few years ago the MOD specified that all modern badges are to be unmarked: so all issued ones are now made with unmarked sliders.
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.... just an FYI

https://www.paoyeomanry.org.uk/DHYCapBadge.htm
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Hi Alan,
I believe the scarce Lancashire Fusiliers badge was generally maker marked H.W Timings.
Marples & Beasleys badges sliders are generally a bit wider than Timings sliders and most other maker marked a/a items.
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Old 05-06-21, 04:21 AM
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Some of the earliest a/a were unmarked. However a few years ago the MOD specified that all modern badges are to be unmarked: so all issued ones are now made with unmarked sliders.
I can certainly see that "test" badges be made sterile, but once approved why would badges for service use not be named by the manufacturer? Every single item in service is marked with the makers mark. Seems odd.

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