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Old 01-06-16, 06:35 PM
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Default Anodised cap badges seeded/non-seeded

Gents,
your assistance required for a short project of mine to identify those anodised badges (of the same die design) that are found both with and without seeding on scrolls and straps etc.

So far from my own collection I have identified the following:-

RHA - silver pattern with lugs
HAC - large version.
Irish Guards
Coldstream Guards
Scots Guards
RAC
RAVC
Royal Anglian Regt
The Black Watch
Royal Scots
KOSB
Cheshire Regiment
south Staffordshire Regt (unmarked slider version is seeded)
Kings Liverpool Regt
Royal Regiment of Wales
Kings Regt

And yes this phenomenon does also appear on anodised collars (check out background of the tablet bearing the '105' on the Royal Dragoons collars - some seeded and some not).

If anyone can add to my list, for interests sake - and to identify gaps in my/our collective knowledge, I'd be grateful.

Many thanks all

Bess

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Old 01-06-16, 07:09 PM
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Both RA cap and beret guns lost their seeding when they were simplified and got the applied wheel.
RADC two piece seeded and one piece unseeded.

Rgds, Thomas.
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Thanks Thomas

I hadn't added the RA as they were differing dies.

RADC added to my list,

many thanks mate - I'll re check my RADC set!
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Both RA cap and beret guns lost their seeding when they were simplified and got the applied wheel.
RADC two piece seeded and one piece unseeded.

Rgds, Thomas.


Ok, I checked my 'Dentists' and most are 2 piece badges and clearly seeded on the scroll.

Gaunt however made an all on piece version (marked both Birmingham and London). The scrolls do initially look clear of seeding , however a closer examination of my examples reveals a very light seeding.

What does not help here I would suspect is that some seeding presents more robust than others.

Thanks again Thomas.
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Ok, I checked my 'Dentists' and most are 2 piece badges and clearly seeded on the scroll.

Gaunt however made an all on piece version (marked both Birmingham and London). The scrolls do initially look clear of seeding , however a closer examination of my examples reveals a very light seeding.

What does not help here I would suspect is that some seeding presents more robust than others.

Thanks again Thomas.
Looked at them last night with insufficient light when I posted, had another look today in daylight and you of course are right, apologies about that.

Rgds, Thomas.
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Gents,
your assistance required for a short project of mine to identify those anodised badges (of the same die design) that are found both with and without seeding on scrolls and straps etc.

So far from my own collection I have identified the following:-

RHA - silver pattern with lugs
HAC - large version.
Irish Guards
Coldstream Guards
Scots Guards
RAC
RAVC
Royal Anglian Regt
The Black Watch
Royal Scots
KOSB
Cheshire Regiment
south Staffordshire Regt (unmarked slider version is seeded)
Kings Liverpool Regt
Royal Regiment of Wales
Kings Regt


And yes this phenomenon does also appear on anodised collars (check out background of the tablet bearing the '105' on the Royal Dragoons collars - some seeded and some not).

If anyone can add to my list, for interests sake - and to identify gaps in my/our collective knowledge, I'd be grateful.

Many thanks all

Bess
Hi Bess, please can you tell me what seeding is, or even better post a photo of the two R.Anglian Types. thanks
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Seeding is the background stippling effect, frequently on otherwise plain areas of a badge, such as the background to title scrolls.
I've used an anodised and bi-metal example as the photos were to hand.

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Seeding is the background stippling effect, frequently on otherwise plain areas of a badge, such as the background to title scrolls.
I've used an anodised and bi-metal example as the photos were to hand.

Stephen.
Thanks Stephen - a particularly nice backing to the Lincolnshire Regt you have there.

With regards to the Royal Anglian Regt, the vast majority I have display no seeding to the scroll, however those with sliders marked FIRMIN LONDON and MARPLES & BEASLEY have seeding on the 'Royal Anglian' scroll. Additionally a Firmin & Sons PLC issue clear plastic bag (dated 01/07/05) marked for and containing a Royal Anglian badge also displays seeding on its scroll. The badge slider is marked with the later 'fatter' FIRMIN' mark.

Norfolk man - Hope this helps.

Regards all

Bess
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Thanks Stephen - a particularly nice backing to the Lincolnshire Regt you have there.

With regards to the Royal Anglian Regt, the vast majority I have display no seeding to the scroll, however those with sliders marked FIRMIN LONDON and MARPLES & BEASLEY have seeding on the 'Royal Anglian' scroll. Additionally a Firmin & Sons PLC issue clear plastic bag (dated 01/07/05) marked for and containing a Royal Anglian badge also displays seeding on its scroll. The badge slider is marked with the later 'fatter' FIRMIN' mark.

Norfolk man - Hope this helps.

Regards all

Bess
thanks bess for that info, never spotted that before.
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thanks bess for that info, never spotted that before.
That'll be more on your wants list them ! 😄
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thanks bess for that info, never spotted that before.
Re the R. Anglian Regt - to be fair, I hadn't either and only discovered it when I carried out a survey of my collection which prompted this short project.

In general I think badges found with and without seeding, tend to indicate that the seeded ones are the earlier example. I know there were issues with early anodised badges and seeding (in that it clearly did not transpose well from the earlier brass versions, some using the original die's) and the shiny appearance of the anodising made the lettering difficult to read clearly.

However the seeding clearly lived on in many badges.
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thanks bess for that info, never spotted that before.
With regards to the Royal Anglian Regt, the vast majority I have display no seeding to the scroll, however those with sliders marked as listed below all have seeding.

FIRMIN LONDON
FIRMIN
FIRMIN (fatter firmin mark)
MARPLES & BEASLEY
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Firmin & Sons PLC issue clear plastic bag (dated 01/07/05) marked for and containing a Royal Anglian badge also displays seeding on its scroll. The badge slider is marked with the later 'fatter' FIRMIN' mark.
Firmin & Sons PLC issue clear plastic bag (dated 03/08/04)(another bag is dated 26/06/03) marked for and containing a Royal Anglian badge also displays seeding on its scroll.The badge has the smaller FIRMIN mark.

This study was conducted using a collection of over 400 R.Anglian Anodized with slider cap badges.
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