British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > Everything Else > Foreign Badges and Insignia

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-03-20, 04:55 PM
Harry Katyn Harry Katyn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 44
Default US Special Forces Theatre Made Insignia?

I know some of our forum members have an extensive knowledge of USSF insignia and would appreciate your comments/any info you can share on these items.

I believe (or hope) that the standard A/B tab and the SSI may be "theatre made" - possibly in Japan as opposed to the usual Vietnam era fakes.

Having never handled or even seen a worn/washed out teal blue A/B tab I'm not sure if this one is of US manufacture (although I believe it is as I have seen examples with a similar thin "I") or theatre made if such tabs were ever produced.

All came from separate sources.

Thanking you in anticipation.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg USSF AB Tab Front.jpg (38.2 KB, 45 views)
File Type: jpg USSF AB Tab Rear.jpg (38.0 KB, 31 views)
File Type: jpg USSF SSI Front.jpg (59.1 KB, 47 views)
File Type: jpg USSF SSI Rear.jpg (66.7 KB, 27 views)
File Type: jpg USSF Teal Blue AB Tab Front.jpg (45.4 KB, 38 views)
File Type: jpg USSF Teal Blue AB Tab Rear.jpg (45.9 KB, 16 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-03-20, 01:51 AM
3battalion's Avatar
3battalion 3battalion is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Abu Dhabi, UAE
Posts: 580
Default

Hi Harry,

First tab looks US made and I agree that the patch and last tab look Japenese made.

Nice insignia.

Paul
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-03-20, 07:35 PM
Harry Katyn Harry Katyn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 44
Default

Thanks for that Paul - although I thought the first tab (yellow on black) was more likely to be the theatre made one given its paper backing and the style of stitching in the lettering.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 30-03-20, 07:12 PM
Phill Lockett's Avatar
Phill Lockett Phill Lockett is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Auckland NZ
Posts: 389
Default

Hi Harry

None of the insignia shown is of US made.

Official US made authorized SSI and Tabs are Schiffli fully embroidered with an exact stitch count as per then OQMC-Heraldic Section drawings.

The Teal Blue Airborne tab was unauthorized however it was used for 77th SF Group 1955-1958. The only known use is US made, have not seen any other to date.

The letter I has not been embroidered in the Teal Blue Airborne Tab.

They are not Japanese made as Japanese embroiderers were very skilled and produced detailed high quality patches.

I believe these are modern day reproductions out of Vietnam.

Note the backing on the reverse of these samples below

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PATCH-F-111...kAAOSwkfVefi~M

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PATCH-12TH-...wAAOSwwz9efjAH

Phill

Last edited by Phill Lockett; 30-03-20 at 07:33 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26-05-20, 04:47 PM
Harry Katyn Harry Katyn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 44
Default

Sorry Phill - missed your post and have been away for a while and only getting to catch up now.
Thanks for your comments and pointers which I will look into - particularly your point about the "I" in the airborne tab which I completely missed. (I had been told by a collector in the US it was the genuine article but he never mentioned if it was theatre made or not. When/If I get the chance I was going to do some research and possibly upload the images onto the US Military Forum to see what that generates.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 26-05-20, 07:33 PM
Phill Lockett's Avatar
Phill Lockett Phill Lockett is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Auckland NZ
Posts: 389
Default

Hi Harry

Always get second opinions when dealing with "theatre made" Vietnam era special forces /Ranger /Airborne patches, its a minefield as you know.

The below patch and tab were standard US made SSI re below for 77th SFG/SF from mid 1950's to late 58. The teal blue Airborne tab was not authorized but worn until the gold on black authorized c1958.

Phill
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2. 77SFG(A)-2.JPG (45.2 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg 2. 77SFG(A)-2 Reverse.JPG (69.3 KB, 8 views)
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 28-05-20, 02:28 PM
Harry Katyn Harry Katyn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 44
Default

Hi Phill
Thanks for uploading the photos. Your teal blue tab is the same as a mint one I have in my collection. (Although I have been away from collecting US items for a good few years now it wasn’t until your post that I learnt that this variant was only produced in the US and also means I’m a bit behind on what fakes are out there.) I have being searching for the past few days to see where I came across the other teal blue tabs with the thin “I” without success but if these tabs were never “theatre made” no official US manufacturer would produce such a poor quality badge.
Many thanks for your input.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:46 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.