Bz F&F yeomanry £110

[Alan O]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1908217488...9#ht_22wt_1171

I don't know what this is but it is not an Officers badge imo nor any 1916 economy nor a 14th bn BW badge. The mark is WW2 era or later. The construction and slider suggest ORs but it is a diffferent die to the all brass one attriubuted to WW1 era badges.

Alan

[2747andy]

Alan,
I agree that it is not an officers or an economy item, however the mark is earlier than WW2 and appears on WW1 era badges. A lot of money paid for this whatever it is?
Some images below of the mark on a RTC and MGC both WW1 era. I think someone may have got themselves a scarce bronzed Yeomanry badge?

Andy

[carl pierce]

on the ebay image , maybe my eyesight but the gaunt mark looks raised and not stamped ???

[Silver Tourist]

Good afternoon.

Whilst this is not my specific area of specialisation I do know a little about officers' badges.

Can a Member please explain to me, and perhaps to others, why the item in question cannot possibly have been intended to be worn in an officer's cap?

And, before everyone rushes in, Members might recall the Sherlock Holmes comment to Dr Watson, paraphrased as: once all impossible options have been discounted, whatever remains, however improbable, is the truth.

I have in my collection at least five, and probably more, slidered hallmarked examples: two to 12th. London, and one each to 2VB R Sussex, R West Kent, and KDG, if memory serves me correctly. And no, they have not been modified post-manufacture.

Think-on, as we say in these parts and I may give a prize to the Member who comes up with the correct answer. Which I believe will shortly be appearing in print.

Enjoy.

S.T.

P.S. KLR, no contributions please as I think you already know the answer.

[fearnaught]

Hi, I don't want to rain on your parade, but the TC badge with the Gaunt slider is probably a repro. Mike

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by fearnaught

Hi, I don't want to rain on your parade, but the TC badge with the Gaunt slider is probably a repro. Mike

Mike,
"Rain" as much as you like as I have a Brolly and a "GENUINE" Gaunt marked badge!

Best regards

Andy

[Rockape]

Please don't sidetrack the thread gents. If you want to talk about something else pm the member concerned

The badge in question was wanted by at least two bidders who thought it was something special. The bronze F&FY badge was worn by officers of that unit and the lesser known Fife Volunteer Reserve WW1. The latter regiment used to fill service battalions.

http://thaneofife.org.uk/volunteer%20reserve.html

OR's wore the general service cap badge, the NCO's and pipers wore Royal Highlanders insignia and officers wore a Thane not unlike the one that was bid on in the auction.

The bottom line is that two bidders decided they wanted it and overbid. Probably paying way over the odds of what they originally intended.

[GriffMJ]

People should clean badges..... to avoid this .... just a filthy brass.

[Rockape]

I'm not so sure it's a case of being dirty Griff. Richard Dickens, a Fife specialist seems to think the badge was officer issue, but says it could be either F&FY or V/Fife.

[Peter Brydon]

For a county that you dont expect to have a wide variety of military badges,it appears that that is not the case.

Have a look at these:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1811205547...84.m1423.l2649

and

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Fife-...item2a2ba077e9

P.B.

[Old Smelly]

[I]the bottom line is that two bidders decided they wanted it and overbid. Probably paying way over the odds of what they originally intended.[I]

Not always an indication of an item being genuine, some of the recent dubious cloth items on eBay have made good money
Lee

[Silver Tourist]

Good evening, again.

And yet no-one has answered my question. All that smoke, and no still light!

Give me a hallmarked example with matching collars anyday. Oh look! There they are, sitting on the desk beside me! In fact there are two sets of matching hallmarked collars.

Presumably officers' versions?

Enjoy.

S.T.

Footnote:
I am also curious: who are we to determine a buyer has overbid for an item? I have had at least one member of this Forum send me a message via Ebay telling me (Note: "telling" me, mark you!) I'd overbid for a hallmarked badge. What gross impertinence!

Perhaps, in the immediate example, it would be wise to ask oneself the question: do two collectors, possibly unknown to the Membership of this Forum, know something the Members do not? In which case, maybe we should seek to discover what it is that drives their mutual enthusiasm to secure the badge in question. Just a thought!

[peter monahan]

S.T. has a good point, I think. Not necessarily that the two bidders are among the cognoscenti while the rest of us are not, but that what they value a piece at may not be its 'real value'.

For example, I have just discovered that a regimental museum in Canada paid $1400 or more for a Naval General service Medal with a unique bar. That is to say, the only example of that bar ever issued. As the recipient is of particular interest to me - I may write his biography some day - I would have paid $2,000 or more for the medal. Not cheerfully, I hasten to add but I would have paid it. And who is anyone else to commit the gross impertinence of telling me I'd overpaid?

[Silver Tourist]

Good evening.

Thank you to our Member Mr. Monahan for his observation upon my thoughts.

However, let us revert to another aspect of this thread: I have repeatedly noted Members of this Forum asserting that a badge with a slider cannot possibly have been intended for wear by an officer.

I have seen no evidence presented to support that assertion. Indeed I have in my collection a considerable number of hallmarked badges with sliders. So, I again ask the question: why do some Members assert that a badge carrying a slider cannot be an officer's badge?

Be careful.

Enjoy.

S.T.

PS. Oh, and here`s a second pair of hallmarked silver collar badges to the F&F Yeomanry. Amazing what one can buy on Ebay these days!

[whizzbang]

I am surprised to see a stamped bronze badge - bronze is harder and more brittle than brass or copper and is usually cast. Hard to say without having the badge in hand but possibly it could be brown-enamelled copper.

Just my 2 cents worth and doesn't answer ST's question, sorry ST but out of my area of knowledge!

Cheers, Ian.