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Old 21-12-22, 04:19 PM
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Looking for information on on this one. Its flat backed, not die struck. And has been fitted with a brooch fitting, not sure of its original fittings.
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Old 21-12-22, 05:39 PM
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...the only image I have that might be of help is this one. Also without veins?

British service dress cap made by McClymont and Dewar, Glasgow with scarce S.I.Y. cap badge to front, gilt with two lugs. Leather chin strap affixed by two general service buttons. The South of Ireland Imperial Yeomanry was a cavalry unit of the British Army existing between 1902 and 1908 when it was renamed the South Irish Horse.
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Old 21-12-22, 06:20 PM
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Nice badge Danny.

My thoughts would be it’s a South of Ireland Imperial Yeomanry other ranks cap badge which has been converted with some care and skill into a sweetheart by skilfully cutting out sheet brass to provide a neat back.
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Old 21-12-22, 08:13 PM
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Luke. Unfortunately not my badge. I'd not thought of a sheet brass backing, would make sense.
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Old 22-12-22, 07:50 PM
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Been in contact with the owner. It appears to be of solid construction.
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Old 23-12-22, 11:32 AM
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My initial thoughts were an OSD badge with the bronzing removed.

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Old 23-12-22, 12:38 PM
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I had never seen or heard of a bronze or solid SIY of any description.

Corresponding with Keith Hook he says he had both a solid construction OSD bronze and gilt officers badge. The board is now sadly sold so I have not seen pictures.

So potentially it is either a knackered OSD or gilt badge which has totally lost its finish and converter to a brooch pin.
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....if you look at the cap I have shown above (Cap badge inset below) you can see that its probably a bronzed brass (just service worn and time). Also, just because it was bronzed it does not make it an OSD. Other Ranks wore bronzed brass in khaki, in some Regiments, in this period.

Looking at your badge the jeweller, that put the pin & clasp on, probably removed the bronze coat (and loops E/W) to tidy it up for use as a pin so it could be shined up?
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....if you look at the cap I have shown above (Cap badge inset below) you can see that its probably a bronzed brass (just service worn and time). Also, just because it was bronzed it does not make it an OSD. Other Ranks wore bronzed brass in khaki, in some Regiments, in this period.

Looking at your badge the jeweller, that put the pin & clasp on, probably removed the bronze coat (and loops E/W) to tidy it up for use as a pin so it could be shined up?
It could also be a staining or corrosion Griff. I would suggest finding a period photo of such a badge rather than an auction house lot photo from Whytes which is where your image comes from.

Other ranks did wear bronzed badges pre-1914 but not in my experience SIH. I have seen some very dirty stained and heavily patina-ed badges however not I would regard as bronzed.

I have also never seen a period photo of a bronzed other ranks badge in wear. I would however be happy to be proved wrong and see such a picture.
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