Pre - 1895 Glengarry badges.

[Parabellum]

Good morning,
I'm trying to find out if the 4 cap badges below were worn on the Glengarry pre 1895 ?
I know they are associated with other head-dress, but I am after any evidence they were worn on the Glengarry in particular.
Thanks

[tonyb]

Sorry can't help with your query, but lwould be interested to see any rear images of these you might have.
Cheers Tony.

[Parabellum]

There you go, Tony.

[Advsmt]

Hi, I guess it is the period post-1881 to 1895 that you re interested in. As you are probably aware most reference books, like K&K, concentrate on the type of badge and connect to a headgear, so this 1881-95 period is more difficult to pin down. I don’t have Jeff McWilliam’s second volume on Glengarry badges which covers the post-1881 period but this maybe your best bet, short of actual period dated photos. However, I know his research was extensive and this is now with the Ogilby Trust. Sorry I can’t be of more help but I will keep looking.

Bryan

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by Parabellum

Good morning,
I'm trying to find out if the 4 cap badges below were worn on the Glengarry pre 1895 ?
I know they are associated with other head-dress, but I am after any evidence they were worn on the Glengarry in particular.
Thanks

I don't collect to these regiments so I can't say anything definitive but I assume you mean were these badges worn on the Glengarry instead of the authorized helmet plate centre with crown?

John

[Advsmt]

Hi again, I started to go through my books and I have a copy of The British Army: It’s Regimental Records, Badges, Devices, Etc by Maj.Gen. J.H. Lawrence-Archer which was published in 1881. So post 1881 and pre-1895. He describes The Sherwood Foresters (Derbyshire Regiment) button, collar, helmet-plate, waistplate and forage-cap as per your badge. No mention of Glengarry for any regiment. It is well known that the Glengarry was discontinued “for some” English regiments (Carman: Military Uniforms) in 1890 so the presumption is these badges were worn on the Glengarry if these regiments worn the Glengarry in this period - but I suspect you already know this, hence the guestion?
I’ll keep looking.

Bryan

[Parabellum]

Thank you Bryan & John.

I knew it was a bit of a long shot with these badges, but what kicked it off was the large brass Hampshire regiment QVC badge, which is always described as a FSH, but was, according to Floods book on the regiment, worn on the Glengarry aswell, so i was thinking if any more regiments chose to wear a different badge than the crowned helmet plate centre and picked out these 4 from the period.
Another example would be the Suffolk's FSH badge if found with lugs.

[Parabellum]

Missed the photos

[Advsmt]

I’m afraid that I do not know much about headgear but did the blue field service cap not supersede the glengarry? How do you tell them apart - buttons? as I have seen photos of Sherwood Foresters wearing the field service cap and in the same photo are blue helmets. So my question is do you think they wore the badge in question on the field service cap but it is purely the Glengarry you are interested in?
Bryan

[Parabellum]

Apparently the Glosters badge above, another associated with FSH, was worn by the 1st battalion on the blue FS cap while serving in Malta, i'm not sure about the Derbyshire's, but it is possible.

[jf42]

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[jf42]

Originally Posted by Advsmt

It is well known that the Glengarry was discontinued “for some” English regiments (Carman: Military Uniforms) in 1890 so the presumption is these badges were worn on the Glengarry if these regiments worn the Glengarry in this period - but I suspect you already know this, hence the guestion?
I’ll keep looking.

Bryan

Showing my ignorance here but I did not know that "the Glengarry was discontinued “for some” English regiments.. in 1890."

My curiousity is piqued. Not having a copy of Carman to hand, do we know what they wore for a forage cap in the years before the Field Service Cap was introduced?

[Pixie]

The Glosters was worn in 2 versions, yours and an identical one with a pin-back version for wear on the pagri. Worn by the 1st Bn in Malta. There’s a picture of one in Brinson’s book p48.

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by jf42

Showing my ignorance here but I did not know that "the Glengarry was discontinued “for some” English regiments.. in 1890."

My curiousity is piqued. Not having a copy of Carman to hand, do we know what they wore for a forage cap in the years before the Field Service Cap was introduced?

The Field Service Cap replaced the Glengarry Forage cap in non Scottish line infantry in 1894.

John

[Advsmt]

I don’t want to hijack this thread in a different direction but.... The Military Historical Society Special Number: Coloured Field Service Caps Infantry is an excellent wee booklet on the subject.
Bryan