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Old 22-03-13, 05:44 PM
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Default Royal Welch Fusiliers (23rd Foot) 1850

Hello all,

Members of the 23rd Foot (Reserve Battalion) lost their lives on Lake Erie when the Canadian steamer Commerce sunk off the coast of Port Maitland, Ontario. My father is trying to replace the grave marker for these fine gentlemen and create a small display.

I am trying to locate images (maybe a badge) of the 23rd as they were during this period.
If any of you who are formally of the Royal Welsh Regiment or collectors of this unit have anything that may help in creating of a true representation of the Regiment during this period. Drawing of the King's Colours, uniform, etc.

My father has been in contact with the Reg. HQ Royal Welsh Regiment, however I thought I would reach out.

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Old 22-03-13, 05:45 PM
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Default Royal Welsh Fusiliers (23rd Foot) 1850

Hello all,

Members of the 23rd Foot (Reserve Battalion) lost their lives on Lake Erie when the Canadian steamer Commerce sunk off the coast of Port Maitland, Ontario. My father is trying to replace the grave marker for these fine gentlemen and create a small display.

I am trying to locate images (maybe a badge) of the 23rd as they were during this period.
If any of you who are formally of the Royal Welsh Regiment or collectors of this unit have anything that may help in creating of a true representation of the Regiment during this period. Drawing of the King's Colours, uniform, etc.

My father has been in contact with the Reg. HQ Royal Welsh Regiment, however I thought I would reach out.

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Old 22-03-13, 05:53 PM
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2747 Andy

Hello Andy,

Just checked out the link. Yes we have talked to CWGC and they said unfortunately they only deal with WW1 froward.

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Old 22-03-13, 10:37 PM
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Chris,
You are getting a bit mixed up here.
The 23rd were a regular line Battn., nothing to do with reserve.
Some dates would be helpful and I think you may be referring to the Welsh Regiment rather than the RWF.
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Hi Kevin,

According to "that astonishing Infantry" pp70-71 "In 1842 the government desperate for troops....whereby the four depot companies of some regiments were increased to six and dubbed reserve battalions....which was shipped off to Canada until 1853....In 1850 the Reserve Battalion had suffered a tragic loss when a Steamer accident on Lake Erie had resulted in the deaths of the Assistant /surgeon, three sergeants, two corporals, nineteen privates and eight wives...the officers mess silver was also lost...."
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Hi JB , Kevin, & highlandas
Yes, in April 1842 the Government created six new "Reserve Battalions" for the purpose of facilitating the relief of regiments abroad and shortening their periods of foriegn service. These were raised by increasing the strength of the Depot Companies and were in effect a cheap 2nd Battalion.
They had no Colonel, no Band, no Colours, and no Flank Coys*. Eventually the number of Reserve Battalions was increased to (about) 19, the 23rd Foot being one of the first six. They were all classed as Regular Line Battalions. By about 1854 most had disappeared, (some becoming full 2nd Battns of the regiments concerned ) but it is recorded that the 12th Foot kept their Res Battn until 1858. Hope this clarifies the issue. Regards Jeff

*Flank Coys were later added.

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Hi Jeff, thank you for the image.

If anyone is able and willing to scran the pages in question and send them to me, that would be great.

You drop me a note at williamcwarnick@cogeco.ca

Again than you to all who have been so helpful.

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Hello all,

Members of the 23rd Foot (Reserve Battalion) lost their lives on Lake Erie when the Canadian steamer Commerce sunk off the coast of Port Maitland, Ontario. My father is trying to replace the grave marker for these fine gentlemen and create a small display.

I am trying to locate images (maybe a badge) of the 23rd as they were during this period.
If any of you who are formally of the Royal Welsh Regiment or collectors of this unit have anything that may help in creating of a true representation of the Regiment during this period. Drawing of the King's Colours, uniform, etc.

My father has been in contact with the Reg. HQ Royal Welsh Regiment, however I thought I would reach out.

Chris
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Although in a simplified, computer generated format, I enclose an image of the 23rd Regt's uniforms of that period (note the 'bastion' looped lace), as well as art work relating to the Crimea and a genuine, other ranks shako plate, of the type that you seek for your memorial. All of these images are in the public domain, but should be used as guides rather than for direct copying.
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Thank you very much! That a great start.
I knew that if there was a means to find this information, the forum was the best point to start.
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Chris,
have you been in contact with CWGC?

http://www.cwgc.org/

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