WW1 Cloth Formation Signs Display

[Rodd Hill]

Jack, was this lady by any chance the cousin (or some such relation) of Kurt Vonnegut? And was she the (unmarried) daughter of a man who owned a number of shops in Philly?

I was at the Louisville military show two months ago, and bought a number of helmet-plate centres and Australian/NZ badges from the collection of 'an eccentric spinster'. I wonder if it was the same woman?

Beautiful work on the formation signs. Must have taken many, many hours.

[Mike Jackson]

Originally Posted by Peter Brydon

The 55th (West Lancs ) example includes an red outer circle which was not included on the badges worn on uniform.

P.B.

This design - white disc with red border - is taken from the John Player's cigarette cards and as such may represent the 55th (West Lancashire) Division sign as portrayed on signboards and waggons etc. Mike

[Peter Brydon]

Thanks Mike,

That is why I didn't say the design of the embroidered badge was incorrect .

Mike Chappell In "British Battle Insignia (2) 1939-45 " shows just the rose head being used as a vehicle sign in WW2 (page 44).

I don't know what was used as a vehicle sign in WW1 but some examples of the sign on old comrades association badges, grave markers etc. include the divisions motto "They win or die who wear the Red Rose of Lancaster " around the outer edge.

Peter

[Mike Jackson]

It's interesting that the 10 + 2 leaf version appears on the cigarette card and the 14 + 2 leaf version is on the Givenchy card. It would be good to find some contemporary photos of GS Waggons etc actually bearing signs of this period. This must be an ASC unit sign - Britannia? Mike
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[magpie]

Uploaded yesterday http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...p?albumid=2218

Andy

[irish]

Some additional formation signs from this collection. Thanks Jack



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[irish]

Originally Posted by Rodd Hill

Jack, was this lady by any chance the cousin (or some such relation) of Kurt Vonnegut? And was she the (unmarried) daughter of a man who owned a number of shops in Philly?

I was at the Louisville military show two months ago, and bought a number of helmet-plate centres and Australian/NZ badges from the collection of 'an eccentric spinster'. I wonder if it was the same woman?

Beautiful work on the formation signs. Must have taken many, many hours.

I was looking over this today and seen your post. Yes this would be the same person. Cousin of Kurt Vonnegut, father had owned a full city block of downtown Indianapolis.

[BSM]

Originally Posted by Mike Jackson

It's interesting that the 10 + 2 leaf version appears on the cigarette card and the 14 + 2 leaf version is on the Givenchy card. It would be good to find some contemporary photos of GS Waggons etc actually bearing signs of this period. This must be an ASC unit sign - Britannia? Mike
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Mike a nice little image ... it is the Army Mark of the 16th Omnibus Company (ASC) who also operated lorries per your image copy. Cheers, Rod