Royal Marine Belt Plate

[Neibelungen]

Sold last summer, but not the first time I've had this chap sell stuff I made with a fake provenance and description.

I definately must have underpriced it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GEORGIAN-...p2047675.l2557

http://www.militarymetalwork.co.uk/p...php?prod=AM021

You can even see the traces of my makers name at the back between the two hooks.

[bewley]

Originally Posted by Neibelungen

Sold last summer, but not the first time I've had this chap sell stuff I made with a fake provenance and description.

I definately must have underpriced it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GEORGIAN-...p2047675.l2557

http://www.militarymetalwork.co.uk/p...php?prod=AM021

You can even see the traces of my makers name at the back between the two hooks.

Excuse me if i appear thick, but are you saying that you produce modern equivalents of historic badges, then this chap buys them ‘ages’ them then sells them on?

[Frank Kelley]

A "modern equivalent" interesting term, I think fake would be the word I would use!

Originally Posted by bewley

Excuse me if i appear thick, but are you saying that you produce modern equivalents of historic badges, then this chap buys them ‘ages’ them then sells them on?

[Paul Spellman]

Unbelievable!!

[Hoot]

So, the forum doesn't just have members who deal in duff stuff, it also has a member who makes the duff stuff. You couldn't make it up.

[magpie]

At least he's come forward and told you, like lots of other repro badges and equipment it only becomes bad when someone else passes it off as original.

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by Neibelungen

Sold last summer, but not the first time I've had this chap sell stuff I made with a fake provenance and description.

I definately must have underpriced it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GEORGIAN-...p2047675.l2557

http://www.militarymetalwork.co.uk/p...php?prod=AM021

You can even see the traces of my makers name at the back between the two hooks.

You've known about it for quite a while then it seems.

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Neibelungen

Sold last summer, but not the first time I've had this chap sell stuff I made with a fake provenance and description.

I definately must have underpriced it.

You can even see the traces of my makers name at the back between the two hooks.

Purely out of interest and for future reference, would it be possible to see your maker mark?

With thanks,

JT

[magpie]

ALex, I've seen twice in the past 2 weeks that badgeman has been put inside, so perhaps people are beginning to do something.

[Frank Kelley]

Badgeman has "been put inside"

Originally Posted by magpie

ALex, I've seen twice in the past 2 weeks that badgeman has been put inside, so perhaps people are beginning to do something.

[Sonofacqms]

Without getting into the "rights or wrongs" of badges and other items for re-enacting, I think the company name and date of manufacture on the reverse could be helpful and in such a way it could not be easily removed by rogue sellers.

Rob

[Alex Rice]

Originally Posted by magpie

ALex, I've seen twice in the past 2 weeks that badgeman has been put inside, so perhaps people are beginning to do something.

That's a good start, that guy is a blight on the collecting fraternity!

[Neibelungen]

Finally re the outsourcing work to India and Asia, would the workmanship and quality of these dies be as high or lower as was historically?

Think it really depends on what you are prepared to pay.
The technology and skills are still exactly the same, just more automated.

Often earlier dies will be better, simply because the speed of production was slower, so a poor striking might be redone. Also your impact method in a drop press is different to the slow squeeze of a hydraulic press so you can get deeper strikes. If you compare edwardian striking to earlier victorian the are generally shallower.

A badge out of Asia is around the $1-2 mark.. say £1.50 to £2.00 and less if you ordered a 1,000 or more. You can be be down to 75p. Doesn't take much to recoup your expenses if you can reach a global market these days.
It's likely that your postage costs will be almost as significant as your badge costs.

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Neibelungen

Think it really depends on what you are prepared to pay.
The technology and skills are still exactly the same, just more automated.

Often earlier dies will be better, simply because the speed of production was slower, so a poor striking might be redone. Also your impact method in a drop press is different to the slow squeeze of a hydraulic press so you can get deeper strikes. If you compare edwardian striking to earlier victorian the are generally shallower.

A badge out of Asia is around the $1-2 mark.. say £1.50 to £2.00 and less if you ordered a 1,000 or more. You can be be down to 75p. Doesn't take much to recoup your expenses if you can reach a global market these days.
It's likely that your postage costs will be almost as significant as your badge costs.

Thanks button.

Originally Posted by magpie

ALex, I've seen twice in the past 2 weeks that badgeman has been put inside, so perhaps people are beginning to do something.

Good news!

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by magpie

ALex, I've seen twice in the past 2 weeks that badgeman has been put inside, so perhaps people are beginning to do something.

I think this is big news for us.

Please can you point us to some press details or links so we can see what its all about please?

regards