Pentagonal shaped cap badge ?

[GriffMJ]

The MGC (Cavalry) Squadron, in the 7th Cav Bde, consisted of 8 officers and 203 other ranks, equipped with 299 horses, 18 limbers, 1 GS wagon and 1 water cart. These were formed up into six two-gun sections each of a Subaltern, 33 men and 46 horses. The Squadron was commanded by a Captain or Major.

MGCC 7th Squadron formed on the 29th February 1916 for the 7th Cavalry Brigade in 3rd Cavalry Division and was broken up on the 14th April 1918.

MGCC 8th Squadron formed on the 29th February 1916 for the 8th Cavalry Brigade in 3rd Cavalry Division, it moved to 7th Cavalry Brigade on the 11th March 1918.

So..... did the Household Cav' members badge under the Guards MGC cap badge?

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by MrsG

Thank you GriffMJ, what is a C/A date ?

C/A is part of the reference number for the clasp and roses, following on from "i.v." (issue voucher).

[Hoot]

The Guards Machine Gun Regiment was formed in June 1918. 1st Life Guards became 1st Bn. G.M.G.Regiment, 2nd Life Guards became 2nd Bn. G.M.G.Regiment, the Royal Horse Guards became 3rd Bn. G.M.G.Regiment and the Guards Machine Gun Battalion became 4th Bn. G.M.G.Regiment. Also, the Guards Machine Gun Training Centre became 5th(Reserve) Bn. G.M.G.Regiment.

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Hoot

The Guards Machine Gun Regiment was formed in June 1918. 1st Life Guards became 1st Bn. G.M.G.Regiment, 2nd Life Guards became 2nd Bn. G.M.G.Regiment, the Royal Horse Guards became 3rd Bn. G.M.G.Regiment and the Guards Machine Gun Battalion became 4th Bn. G.M.G.Regiment. Also, the Guards Machine Gun Training Centre became 5th(Reserve) Bn. G.M.G.Regiment.

Thank you

[wardog]

I should think his record from Combermere should clear things up. I obtained my grandfather's about 20 years ago when the museum was still in Windsor and you could just pop in and enquire. I was able to see his name in a ledger from when he joined up. He enlisted in 1918 into 2LG.
Is it still general opinion that when the Household Cavalry element gave up their horses to become GMGR they retained their cap badges-the Footguards Guards Machine Gun Battalion being the only ones to change to the Guards Machine Gun Regiment badge? I hope that the case as a GMGR badge is out of my price range. Regards, Paul.

[leigh kitchen]

Not conclusive evidence but I have a photo of a group of 2LG men wearing LG cap badges and s/t's and "MG" arm badges, posing with a Vickers gun.

[MrsG]

Thank you all again, I am now doubting my original view on which of my ancestors this was !

All I know for sure is that this man was very important to my Great Grandmother, as his photograph was kept carefully with other family photographs by her, and then by my grandmother.

I will apply to the regimental archive for my ancestor's records, and post something when I hear from them to let you know what I have found.

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by wardog

I should think his record from Combermere should clear things up. I obtained my grandfather's about 20 years ago when the museum was still in Windsor and you could just pop in and enquire. I was able to see his name in a ledger from when he joined up. He enlisted in 1918 into 2LG.
Is it still general opinion that when the Household Cavalry element gave up their horses to become GMGR they retained their cap badges-the Footguards Guards Machine Gun Battalion being the only ones to change to the Guards Machine Gun Regiment badge? I hope that the case as a GMGR badge is out of my price range. Regards, Paul.

That is the received wisdom, but I have never seen evidence: difficult to prove a negative.
Equally frustrating is LG NCOs rank badging in the mixed Household MG units. If, as I suspect, they retained the royal crown for ALL NCO rankings, what fun for the poor soldiers addressing them.The OP photo is surely not LG ....... no crown visible.

[Frank Kelley]

A pleasure, to be sure, they were all magnificent soldiers, do let me know how you get on.

Originally Posted by MrsG

Thanks for this, I have got the form to complete and request a search of the archives for more information.

[Frank Kelley]

Very clearly the man in the photograph is a serving Sergeant in, or seconded to, the Guards MG Battalion, are you suggesting the man in the photograph is not William Durrant and it might well not be, given post thirty seven?

Originally Posted by grumpy

That is the received wisdom, but I have never seen evidence: difficult to prove a negative.
Equally frustrating is LG NCOs rank badging in the mixed Household MG units. If, as I suspect, they retained the royal crown for ALL NCO rankings, what fun for the poor soldiers addressing them.The OP photo is surely not LG ....... no crown visible.

[Frank Kelley]

They are, in my opinion, at least, certainly rather overpriced these days, I dare say there would have been a sizable quantity leftover, in the box, after disbandment!

Originally Posted by wardog

I hope that the case as a GMGR badge is out of my price range. Regards, Paul.

[grumpy]

The 1911 census gave his occupation as "Trooper, 2nd Life Guards".

This man can only be LG if he gave up the crown over his Corporal-of-Horse chevrons, which I believe unlikely

[Frank Kelley]

I think it is very telling that the rank given in WO329 is also Trooper.

Originally Posted by grumpy

The 1911 census gave his occupation as "Trooper, 2nd Life Guards".

This man can only be LG if he gave up the crown over his Corporal-of-Horse chevrons, which I believe unlikely

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

I think it is very telling that the rank given in WO329 is also Trooper.

Not quite sure where we are on this ............. all I am saying is that the man in the OP is highly unlikely to be serving in LG at the time of photo.

[Frank Kelley]

Very clearly, a Trooper, is just that and certainly not a non commissioned officer.

Originally Posted by grumpy

Not quite sure where we are on this ............. all I am saying is that the man in the OP is highly unlikely to be serving in LG at the time of photo.