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Old 15-10-20, 02:22 PM
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Under the microscope, it shows better that the bushy piece is not the tail, the thin tail is actually there but its mashed a bit into the leaf. It is bad voiding and unclear die engraving.
Precisely. Nothing more.

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CB, Phill,

my badge has a clear thin raised tail Separate to the thistle connected to the cats behind there is no doubt the badge was made and tooled that Way it is Also clear to the naked eye both front and back, one does not need a microscope to see it.

It is also acknowledged that this patten of badge existed.

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Old 16-10-20, 02:45 PM
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Where does this information come from please?


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By the way, the cat in question is (as I understand it) a Scottish wildcat. I think everyone would agree that tail design on the actual animal is somewhat *bushy*...
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Yes, it could be a tabby.
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Old 16-10-20, 08:05 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_wildcat
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I heard in a recent study that from a genetic perspective they are functionally extinct in the wild as a species having interbred with domestic moggies so much. So 2020 was a worse year for Scottish wildcats than humans!
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A bad year for them?
Dunno about that - sounds like the little so and so's are having plenty of fun.
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LOL
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Bit off topic from the last couple of posts but recently ran across this non-voided example thatís spot-on with several of the bushy, tail-up examples in this thread.

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This phenomenon of erect tail cats set me to visiting Various books

In K&K volume 1 badge number 698 shows the tail up and in Colin Churchill’s Infantry collar badges page 292 fig 1829 their is a great write up as to why the tail was changed in 1902 so would appear These badges with tails up are Victorian pattens.

See attached my cap badge and Collar badge both of the pre 02 patten

Semperfi there is a non voided patten in KK vol 1 same page.

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Official information for other ranks',. **

1882 - Solid WM badge with tail raised behind cat's body. (Shown in post 5)
1898 - As above, with pin fitted for Foreign Service Helmet.
1904 - Solid WM badge with tail hidden under cat's body. (Post 22)
1910 - Voided WM badge with tail raised. (Post 12 & 21)
1913 - Voided WM badge with tail hidden (Amended). (Post 22).

There is undoubtedly manufacturing differences between the badges, but shown above are the sealed pattern design dates (Masters) which all the different (Standard) maker's designs adhered to.

What does seem apparent in the records is that the voiding of the badge and the tail, whether raised or hidden, is a regimental decision and not the choice of the manufacturer.

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I don't know were this badge with the squirrel fits in with the other badges shown in this thread, but usually with this kind of comic design and poor manufacture it could possibly be just a repro.

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I saw this image a little while back, a NAM one - unvoided, tail up, it appears to be fitted with a slider.
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Yes, fits with the 1898 conversion, though slider isn't mentioned.
Look at the cat though and it's clear definition, not at all like roadkill.
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I saw this image a little while back, a NAM one - unvoided, tail up, it appears to be fitted with a slider.
This badge is generally thought to be for the Pagri, but as with many other so called Pagri badges, no photo evidence seems to exist showing them in use as such.
I think they were likely used on the Glengarry if at all.

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I found a couple, but it's difficult to date them, though one is from the Cape.
Of course it is impossible to know what fitting they have.
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