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Old 16-11-21, 01:16 PM
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Hi all I've looked on line I know it's Air Ministry but I'm not sure what the numbers mean. Does anyone know ? Thanks
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Old 17-11-21, 02:18 PM
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Could be that the 40 may stand for 1940. I have a brass button stick with identical numerals and I believe I was issued with one when I joined up in 68. At the time we still had brass cap badge & buttons
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Old 17-11-21, 02:29 PM
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I wasn't issued a button stick (1972) but a member of my section was"put on" in 1973 for not using the button stick he had been issued.
During an OC's inspection the Company Commander asked him if he'd used it, he said he hadn't (our badges, titles, buttons were all of anodised aluminium) - "You were issued it, you should be using it".
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Old 17-11-21, 02:47 PM
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I was issued one when I started training at Woolwich in 1978 . Another piece of kit that had to be displayed , "shiny with no finger prints" , at every room inspection.

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Old 17-11-21, 05:30 PM
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The webbing attachments were all brass
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Old 17-11-21, 05:58 PM
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Not when I joined, a 37 Pat belt was worn sometimes, minus the rear strap buckles, all brass ware stripped off other than the trim at the end of the belt.

Old foibles could die hard - prior to passing off / out parades at the Depot all cap badges and collar dogs were handed in for "cleaning" by one man detailed to make sure that they were clean and shiny- despite all the badges being of anodised aluminium.
Presumably just a habit of some training NCOs who had joined back when they were "needed, not feeded".
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Thanks for the info I wondered if the 40 was 1940 as for the rest ?? Maybe it was for reordering or area code ?
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Old 17-11-21, 06:32 PM
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A contract code?
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Old 17-11-21, 07:07 PM
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Probably whatever the Air Ministry code was, the forerunner of the NSN. The army probably had a Vocab No. for them.
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Here is an Army version.

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One on eBay at the moment , marked J.R.G&S /|\ 1971 CC8315-99-975-7095


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Hi all I've looked on line I know it's Air Ministry but I'm not sure what the numbers mean. Does anyone know ? Thanks
It is an Air Ministry contract number, with, as you say, the '40' referring to the year of contract (not necessarily the year of manufacture which may be stamped elsewhere). I'm not sure what the letters at the end stand for but many Air Ministry contracts take the same form.

Of the later NATO numbers each block refers to different things such as category of item, size, country of origin and specific item. The only one I remember is '99' being for UK manufacture.

I wondered for years what the various cut-outs on the button stick referred to until using one recently to clean webbing. The circular holes are for popper studs found on ammunition pouches, the wavy cut-outs for the riveted end tabs on belts and straps.
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Here is a commercial pattern specifically for 1908 pattern web equipment and a couple of plain early pattern button sticks. I also have one made in brown Bakelite.

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The circular holes are useful for taking cap badge sliders and lugs.
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Here is an Army version.

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Compare the Army Button Stick to 37 Webbing and you will find it does not match up! It was designed for 08 Webbing and never changed!
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