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Old 26-03-16, 12:51 PM
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Default Welsh Guards cpl Betteridge's sqd April 1940

Lovely sharp image which I have had to shrink and crop to post here.

Of interest is the use of what appears to be WWI type trench caps with the stitched peaks, not something I remember seeing previously for this date, though use of old stock at a time of shortages probably explains it.

This came from a seller local to me and has a name and address in Wales on the reverse also annotated 3/9 perhaps for 3 of 9 or maybe the date, 3rd September.
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Old 26-03-16, 01:43 PM
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Interesting to see - rear row, centre the Trained Soldier - with the abbreviation Td/S (which I have never noted before). Used as if it is a rank rather than an appointment. Mike
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Interesting to see - rear row, centre the Trained Soldier - with the abbreviation Td/S (which I have never noted before). Used as if it is a rank rather than an appointment. Mike
Mike, I was trying to work out what it stood for, thanks for explaining it.
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Cool WWI type trench caps with the stitched peaks

I had one of these which I thought was a WWI type trench cap with a stitched peak and was told by my Father that these were worn during the early part of WWII by soldiers on fatigues.

I did a deal for a cap badge I wanted . . !

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Old 26-03-16, 10:28 PM
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I had one of these which I thought was a WWI type trench cap with a stitched peak and was told by my Father that these were worn during the early part of WWII by soldiers on fatigues.

I did a deal for a cap badge I wanted . . !

Rob
A rare cap today I would think Rob........It must have been a very desirable badge.
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Old 26-03-16, 11:14 PM
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Cool WWI type trench caps with the stitched peaks

Jerry,

I exchanged this hat for an original 4th Northamptonshire cap badge with the blank scrolls, a badge I'd been after for years, strangely enough I got the one with 4th Btn on the scrolls at a collectors fair a few months later.

I often wonder who had the better deal, my Father having been a CQMS was often dismissive of my buys.

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Old 27-03-16, 08:22 AM
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Rob,

who can say on such things, if you wanted the badge and the cap was worth less to you then you had a good deal.

I noticed the supt. sgt. in the front row has his pace stick with him as a badge of his rank.
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"Cpl Betteridge"

I thought that there were no corporals in the Guards - all are Lance Sergeants and those wearing two chevrons are "Lance Corporals".
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LCPL 2 chevrons LGTS 3 chevrons. your right it should be LCPL.
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I assume the captions were done by the photographer.

I the intricacies of the rank structure of guards regiments are not something I had looked at, it was the uniform details that interested me and also it was Welsh and from local to me.

good that some here know their stuff.
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Found a few similar photos on another forum site and the following are links to them.


Cpl Henry's Squad, 13th Coy, Coldstream Guards, Jan 1941


Serjt Attwood's Squad, Grenadier Guards, Sept 1940

Cpl Taylor's Squad, Scots Guards, Jan 1940

Cpl Horrock's Squad, Coldstream Guards, Aug 1943

So, contrary to popular belief, Corporals do (or did) apparently exist in the Guards, at least at depot. The "Trained Soldier" is also identified (as in the photo of the OP) in these additional photos. In the Horrock's Squad photo, he is seated front and centre and thus there is a better view of his uniform details including what may be the "Trained Soldier Badge" on his upper right sleeve.

As to the origin of many of these photos . . .

http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/5453...ate-negatives/
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Over the years G & H Bunce took many a squad photo at the Guards Depot Caterham. Their company name - along with the printed identities of each individual in the photograph - features on the card mounting frame

It's been an oft posed question: What happened to all the negatives of the photos taken by the firm?

. . . . .
From the same site.

Welsh Guards: unofficial Nominal Roll by Army Number order

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