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Old 27-10-10, 05:12 PM
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Does anybody possess a Royal Welsh Fusiliers capbadge in a/a with slider for the hat rather than the pronged beret badge?
If so,does it have a hackle holder fitted to it ?
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Old 27-10-10, 07:01 PM
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Does anybody possess a Royal Welsh Fusiliers capbadge in a/a with slider for the hat rather than the pronged beret badge?
If so,does it have a hackle holder fitted to it ?
Mike, the slider version of the badge was short lived and did not come with a hackle holder. It was only worn for a short period when the RWF first joined the Welsh Brigade. It was used for the Coloured version of the No1 Dress cap (Royal type - scarlet and blue) which the RWF party (including band) wore for street lining. The regiment wore an issue (RSF/RHF) white hackle in all forms of khaki and OD/KD dress, but not No1 (Blue) and No 3 (White) dress. A few years later permission was sought and gained to wear a beret and hackle in these forms of dress too and a new badge was issued with the 2 lugs and a hackle holder.
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Old 27-10-10, 07:27 PM
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Thanks Toby,so what your saying is that its possible to find a slidered version.
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Old 27-10-10, 09:19 PM
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Toby,
That sort of information is priceless. Thanks.

I have one query, I have a Firmin London marked modern A/A slidered badge (I have the earlier 1950's R. A. Hughes Ltd version as well). What would this have been worn on?

Cofion gorau,

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Old 27-10-10, 09:23 PM
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Toby,
That sort of information is priceless. Thanks.

I have one query, I have a Firmin London marked modern A/A slidered badge (I have the earlier 1950's R. A. Hughes Ltd version as well). What would this have been worn on?

Cofion gorau,

Kevin
My question is not related to the RWF. I have an a/a Royal Irish Fusiliers cap badge with the RA Hughes marked slider. Were Hughes one of the earliest a/a manufacturers?

Phil
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Old 27-10-10, 11:02 PM
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Hi Mike I sold a slidered RWF AA recently and that never had a holder, I let it go for 3 in my ignorance.

After reading Toby's info I may just be kicking myself!

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Old 28-10-10, 01:45 PM
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Phil,
There is a thread on the early A/A badges in the forum archives somewhere and Hughes was one of the earlier ones.
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Old 28-10-10, 06:27 PM
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Hi Mike I sold a slidered RWF AA recently and that never had a holder, I let it go for 3 in my ignorance.

After reading Toby's info I may just be kicking myself!

Regards
Ry
Problem is Charlie that unless people have the information then nobody would have known about it.To be honest i dont think that many people would notice or be bothered as long as the badge was genuine.So although you might have got a bit more than 3,probaly not more than 5-6 maximum.
But the information we have adds to the knowledge we possess.
And that means for some people its another badge to look out for for their collections.
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Old 28-10-10, 06:29 PM
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Mike, the slider version of the badge was short lived and did not come with a hackle holder. It was only worn for a short period when the RWF first joined the Welsh Brigade. It was used for the Coloured version of the No1 Dress cap (Royal type - scarlet and blue) which the RWF party (including band) wore for street lining. The regiment wore an issue (RSF/RHF) white hackle in all forms of khaki and OD/KD dress, but not No1 (Blue) and No 3 (White) dress. A few years later permission was sought and gained to wear a beret and hackle in these forms of dress too and a new badge was issued with the 2 lugs and a hackle holder.
So this covered all RWF badged personnel Toby ?
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Toby,
That sort of information is priceless. Thanks.

I have one query, I have a Firmin London marked modern A/A slidered badge (I have the earlier 1950's R. A. Hughes Ltd version as well). What would this have been worn on?

Cofion gorau,

Kevin
Hi Kevin,

Information on this company is sadly lacking and all that can be said is that R.A. Hughes definitely made anodised badges from October 1957 together with Firmin, Grove Manufacturing, J.R. Gaunt and H.W. Timings. This manufacturing information is recorded in War Office Anodised Aluminium Badge Policy File WO32/16956 held at the National Archives, Kew.

If anyone else can add to the above then please let me know.

Badges by Hughes are scarce and worth looking out for.

Regards

Chris
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Old 28-10-10, 09:00 PM
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Chris,
Thanks for that. I'll hang onto my Hughes badge then.
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So this covered all RWF badged personnel Toby ?
Yes, even the band stopped wearing the No1 Dress cap (probably the last in the regiment to do so) because they regained scarlet full dress and sealskin hats (at regimental expense) and so dispensed with No1 Dress Blues other than for some concert gigs (these too were later replaced with a variation on mess dress).

This did not, however, cover WOs and Officers, neither of whom ever wore the aa badge at all. They had instead the embroidered grenade on beret (WOs) and Dress Cap (officers), with the latter wearing OSD badges on khaki caps.
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Thanks Toby,so what your saying is that its possible to find a slidered. version.
Yes, it is possible to find a slidered aa version, but not many were made

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Old 30-10-10, 06:09 PM
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Toby,
That sort of information is priceless. Thanks.

I have one query, I have a Firmin London marked modern A/A slidered badge (I have the earlier 1950's R. A. Hughes Ltd version as well). What would this have been worn on?

Cofion gorau,

Kevin
The last time the slidered aa badge would have been worn was the 1960s when TA (4th and 5th Bns) and cadets (6th and 7th Bns) still wore regimental badges whilst regulars (1st Bn) wore Welsh Brigade head-dress badges. The new aa lugged badge came in at the point that the Welsh Brigade was disembodied and RWF obtained permission to return to regimental badges in 1968. I imagine that is when the Firmin badges were used and worn in the beret with a hackle slid into the beret's badge securing strip. Neither I or my brother ever saw aa slidered badges in the regular Bn (that is 1963-84).

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Old 30-10-10, 09:23 PM
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The last time the slidered aa badge would have been worn was the 1960s when TA (4th and 5th Bns) and cadets (6th and 7th Bns) still wore regimental badges whilst regulars (1st Bn) wore Welsh Brigade head-dress badges. The new aa lugged badge came in at the point that the Welsh Brigade was disembodied and RWF obtained permission to return to regimental badges in 1968. I imagine that is when the Firmin badges were used and worn in the beret with a hackle slid into the beret's badge securing strip. Neither I or my brother ever saw aa slidered badges in the regular Bn (that is 1963-84).
Thanks for the help Toby,have seen photos of WO with the embroided badge looks really good.

Made me think if the RRF had the same thing,have only come across lugged RRF.But NF and RF A/A were both slidered with no hackle holder.
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