Austrian Knots- cadet rank

[badjez]

I have tried digging into the use of Austrian knots and other rank insignia by officer cadets, but without too much success. I can find plenty of information about changes in their use post-1945 but nothing about earlier. I know they were worn both at Sandhurst and Woolwich pre-war as photos exist on-line, but I cannot locate any 'Authority' as such.

Dress Regs 1911 and 1934 refer to clothing for Gentleman Cadets but nothing on rank.

I've attached a photo borrowed on-line to give an indication of the ranks badges I'm interested in.


Can someone point me in the right direction please?

Stephen.

[Alan O]

The modern UOTC use of the design varies from OTC to OTC. In Southampton UOTC the recruits wore nothing on the shoulders, when a cadet passed MTQ 1 they got a single bar. The JUOs wore the knot over that and the SUO alone wore the knot and 2 bars. The instructor one is new to me.

Other OTCs had 2 bars for MTQ2 as with your Cambridge one shown in the picture. MTQ system has been renamed but the principle is the same. It all depends on the OTC practice.

[badjez]

Alan, thank you.

So far as pre-ww2 practice goes it appears we have stumped the panel- somebody must know something.


Stephen.

[badjez]

Resurrected from the depths:

I'm still looking for further information, and pictures of the various Officer Cadet rank insignia.

All offers of help welcomed.

Stephen.

[oc14]

The system as I know it is as Alan states i.e 1 bar for MTQ1, 2 for MTQ2 etc. The "Instructor" wording indicates that the wearer has completed MOI (Method of Instruction), BIT (Basic Instructional Techniques) or DIT (Defence Instructional Techniques) course.

PL

[badjez]

Paul,
Thanks. What about pre-ww2 cadet rank at Woolwich etc. I know nothing about that era.

How about Cadet Colour Sgts, Corporals etc. There must be about 10-15 different badges lurking out there somewhere when No1, No2 & Battle/Combat Dress are considered.

Stephen.