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Old 14-10-20, 07:43 AM
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The only voided badge i can see in the whole thread with the tail up is Leigh's.

The bushy, squirrell like tail on the others, I don't think is a tail at all and is down to the way the badge has been voided.

The tail should be long and thin.

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Old 14-10-20, 09:06 AM
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Do you need the pictures resubmitted in braille
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Old 14-10-20, 09:54 AM
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Do you need the pictures resubmitted in braille
If you mean why is your badge not included with it's tail raised, it's because your badge dates From 1882 to 1904 and is a totally different pattern altogether being one of the two un-voided types.

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Old 14-10-20, 10:45 AM
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No, I can see tails on the voided badges and I'm sure others can too.
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Old 14-10-20, 01:56 PM
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so... I photographed the area in question under the microscope. What I don’t see: a tail (or anything) under the cat. What I do see: 1) a haunch and a leg. 2) a fluffy bit sticking straight up, located to the right of the cat and the aforementioned fluffy bit is directly connected to the cat’s ass. Now I’m no expert in veterinary anatomy but visual evidence would seem to suggest “tail”.
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Interesting post this had me rummaging through my spares box and bingo it appears I have one also.

Badge now located in another box awaiting mounting. We never stop learning Tail is clear from front and back and is on a convex badge.

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Old 14-10-20, 02:21 PM
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It's poor voiding.

On the badges were the cat's tail is not raised, it is hidden and cannot be seen under the body, like on the 1904 and 1913 patterns below.
The raised tail should never be bushy like a squirrels it is thin and separate from the thistle leaves and each is distinct and separate from each other.

It's more clearer if you look at the back striking of each badge, there is no tail.
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Well, if I’m looking at the reverse, I see even clearer direct connectivity between what you say is a thistle leaf and the cats rear-end, which *seems* to suggest intentional design. You mentioned the tail should “never be bushy”. That is a conclusive statement, but can you cite official design instructions to support that conclusion?
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No, nothing official.

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so, if there’s nothing official, then we’re in the realm of supposition. It could well be poor voiding, or a wonky thistle leaf. It could also just as well be a die variation. By the way, the cat in question is (as I understand it) a Scottish wildcat. I think everyone would agree that tail design on the actual animal is somewhat *bushy*...
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Yes, the only official data available is whether the tail is raised behind or hidden below the cat's body it doesn't actually state bushy or otherwise.

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I think we are reading too much into this tail business. Makers variations and voiding is the situation here; no significance other than this in my opinion.

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Dear all
My badge above has a Clear tall thin tail like Leigh’s attached to the cat very clear from the front and back this would appear to be the pre WW1 patten badage being discussed.
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Old 15-10-20, 10:56 AM
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Under the microscope, it shows better that the bushy piece is not the tail, the thin tail is actually there but its mashed a bit into the leaf. It is bad voiding and unclear die engraving.
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