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Old 09-12-19, 06:29 PM
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I have had genuine Victorian head dress badges marked "SILVER" but not very often.

The more modern fake 'SILVER' marked badges referred to above were by 'Badgeman' off ebay who no longer seems to trade.

The cap star is, I would agree, genuine and not one oh his.

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Old 09-12-19, 06:36 PM
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I have had genuine Victorian head dress badges marked "SILVER" but not very often.

The more modern fake 'SILVER' marked badges referred to above were by 'Badgeman' off ebay who no longer seems to trade.

The cap star is, I would agree, genuine and not one oh his.

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Hi Simon,

Assuming that the 'SILVER' badges he sold were made by a third party or did he knock them off in the shed out the back? There are quite a few parts to them and not something easily put together on an amateur basis - dies, enamel, lugs, other badge material and plating.

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Old 09-12-19, 06:43 PM
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Hi Simon,

Assuming that the 'SILVER' badges he sold were made by a third party or did he knock them off in the shed out the back? There are quite a few parts to them and not something easily put together on an amateur basis - dies, enamel, lugs, other badge material and plating.

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He didnt specifically make one regiment he made HUNDREDS, virtually all of which were other ranks badges, one piece, white metal colour and stamped SILVER. Dont know if he made a cap star like this.

Lots of threads on here about him.

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He didnt specifically make one regiment he made HUNDREDS, virtually all of which were other ranks badges, one piece, white metal colour and stamped SILVER. Dont know if he made a cap star like this.

Lots of threads on here about him.

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Yes Simon i remember seeing those " silver " badges by badgeman, his a twat.
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Old 09-12-19, 07:46 PM
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Hi Guys,

I'm not taking the piss here but were the badges actually made of silver and stamped 'SILVER' or where they made of other metals and stamped with fake mark?

I will be looking him up on the forum in a mo but this would be a good head up.

I will also reinvestigate the silver 'New Metal' pieces too. At least two early pattern badges for the Scots Guards and Coldstream Guards were made of sterling silver but this was later changed (with corresponding change in pattern No.) to nickle.

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Old 09-12-19, 08:24 PM
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Hi Guys,

Supplementary question - did 'badgeman' ever knock off any badges stamped 'STERLING'?

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Old 09-12-19, 09:14 PM
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Shoe horning this one in as it's the same design as a Coldstream badge but of white metal and bears a "silver" marking.
It has "STG SIL" stamped on the reverse (picked in Hythe, Kent in 1991).
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Old 09-12-19, 09:32 PM
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Another mark!

re: Badgeman - so far I know he is a (quote) 'twat' in that he made, or had commissioned (not sure which) a load of other ranks cap badges that were marked silver. Still not sure if he actually used silver in his wares.

The badge popsika posted is an officers badge which has the appearance of tarnished silver. So the mark to the metal looks valid, is of multi parts and a complex design. My opinion that it is good, not a badgeman knock off (from what I know of his work) and not modern i.e post 1990.

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'STERLING' was the other mark I became cautious about back in the mid noughties
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Old 09-12-19, 11:04 PM
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'STERLING' was the other mark I became cautious about back in the mid noughties
Thanks Matti,

I'll do some more work this end. What we need to know is how the early silver post 1990 badges were marked. One in an unopened packet would be the way to go if anyone has one.

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Shoe horning this one in as it's the same design as a Coldstream badge but of white metal and bears a "silver" marking.
It has "STG SIL" stamped on the reverse (picked in Hythe, Kent in 1991).
Is it definitely silver Leigh ?
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Old 09-12-19, 11:56 PM
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I've never seen the "STG SIL" marking on any other badge, presumably it's for "sterling silver".
I've never tested it but I've always taken it to be white metal rather than silver or silver plate (at the time I bought it I couldn't make out the marking and thought it was meant to be a manufacturers mark of some kind).
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Hi

Throwing my opinion in. It looks quite well made and the background is definitely proper red/ blue vitreous enamel.

A "giveaway" that your badge is silver is that the transparent red colour is the dull red often seen when silver is enameled.

For some reason it is/ was really hard to get the nice red colour on silver.
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Just read the earlier comment about "Stg Sil" versus "Silver". I would think that "silver" could indicate "fine silver" and that "sterling" contains more copper and is therefore more resistant to wear.

At the back of my mind is the idea that at one stage fine silver was cheaper as it didn't have copper in it.

These are commercial punches I would think and would have been in use within any large badgemaker's/ jeweller's. The older stamps often feature raised letters as opposed to these incuse stamps.

Still a nice, well-made item!
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