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22-03-08, 11:36 AM
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This is mine - the numeral and some lettering are polished smooth but it is a really nice example. The w/m pennants are not overlaid but cut into the pennats so they sit level. There are a sweat hole on the back of each pennant and 2 behind the 5. This was clearly not a cheap badge to make.
Alan 
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22-03-08, 11:55 AM
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Yours looks a real nice example . Mine seems to have been made with less effort and the 5 is not shown on the rear in white metal . Also mine has lugs and with all these things put together it may be a restrike ?
I have also just noticed the two strengthing rods on the rear > ( Flags ) Has anyone seen this before ? Last edited by Spencer; 22-03-08 at 11:58 AM.
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22-03-08, 01:24 PM
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Cavalry is not my thing at all but with regards to your lug question it is the same thing I've been harping on about for ages, lugs before sliders. 5th went out in '22 so if it has lugs it is either/pretending to be a Victorian/Edwardian example. As for the strengthening rods to the lances I believe this was not an uncommon practice but has been done also in restrikes. Cheers, Luke
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22-03-08, 01:31 PM
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Cheers, I didn't know that. Am thinking of maybe branching off into cavalry once finished infantry collecting (whenever that maybe) IF my pockets are deep enough! Do you ever see these badges with the stereotypically early sliders? Whenever I pluck up the courage to have a look they never appear as I would hope/expect. Luke
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22-03-08, 01:36 PM
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Spencer
I would be suspicious of your badge, the only looped samples I have seen have sweat holes and the strike here looks a bit rough. The 5th Lancers is a very tricky badge as so many samples of differing construction exist. Like all pre-1922 Irish regiments the forage cap badge of the 5th Lancers has been extensively copied. There are two designs of pennant, both found on genuine badges, a long narrow type and more often a shorter wider design. The regiment shows a wide number of forage cap variations. The following variations are known in genuine other rank badges. 1. Bi-metal pennants, brass 5, loop fitting 2. All brass, slider 3. Bi-metal pennants, wm 5, cast, slider 4. Bi-metal pennants, wm 5, slider 5. brass pennants, wm 5, slider What to look for in genuine badges. Die Struck badges 1. Backs should never be solid, neither whole badge or just pennants. 2. Sweat holes are often present, rectangular behind pennants and rectangular (or circular) behind the five. 3. Good badges are known without any sweat holes, in these instances the WM is often (but not always) inserted into the badge to be flush with the brass elements. Also those badges without sweat holes generally show all of these other traits mentioned here. 4. Generally lances should not be seen to cross when view from the front. (see later). 5. Avoid the usual bright yellow brass of re-strikes. 6. Some genuine badges have very weak strikes. Cast Badges Cast badges are known and presumed genuine; they may date from the regiment’s service in India between 1919 – 1922. Lances – crossing when viewed from the front. Anecdotally badges where the lances can be seen to cross when viewed from the front are considered fakes. Indeed the illustration from the Gaunt Catalogue c. 1910 shows that the lances cannot be seen to cross. However the illustration of the Officer’s badge in Dress Regulations for the Army 1901 shows the lances to cross . I think they are a very bad sign on O/R badges. Shall try to get some photos up later John Last edited by John Mulcahy; 22-03-08 at 01:38 PM. Reason: edited for clarity
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22-03-08, 01:41 PM
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Yes I do, got it in front of me now. I have been wondering (keeping with the Irish theme), does his RDF (No 149 in mine) look to you like it has a tagged on scroll from the way it bends back over the right hand bottom segement of the grenade? Back to the subject, its not a very 'nice' slider for the date is it... I think that's what has been putting me off taking them off of cards at fairs to have a look Luke Last edited by Luke H; 22-03-08 at 01:44 PM.
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22-03-08, 03:19 PM
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It is a copy I'm afraid Spencer. I had one the same and an all brass version both of which were offered to a couple of reputable dealers who weren't interested.
Attached are my two, the full bimetal one with rebated w/m pennons (with sweatholes and another behind the '5'. The other is the w/m '5' only version and this doesn't have a hole but in my opinion it's genuine. Before the sweathole Nazis tell me it's a fake it came with a veterans collection consisting of another full bimetal cap but broken and brooched, a pair of titles and two pairs of collars. One of my better days. Incidentely, Peter Taylor had a full bimetal lugged one in his list recently, I don't know if it's still there. Last edited by Keith Blakeman; 22-03-08 at 03:22 PM.
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22-03-08, 05:27 PM
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22-03-08, 08:26 PM
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Last edited by Keith Blakeman; 22-03-08 at 08:29 PM.
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23-03-08, 06:03 AM
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Sorry to be the one to tell you, but the second lancer badge you have posted in my opion is not genuine . I don't have my notes with me at the moment . But will drop you a line and a pic of my genuine badge when I return home. Tony C
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